Ain’t That a Sham(e)!


Foreigner – “Urgent,” circa ‘81

A friend of mine once observed that you know you’re getting older when most of your favorite bands are touring without their original singers. Thankfully, of course, my favorite band (Cheap Trick, for anyone who hasn’t figured that out yet) is one of the few bands from my youth with complete line-up intact. Even more reason to dig them!

This same friend is actually a writer for a Midwest newspaper and, this past summer, he found himself scheduled to interview members of two of his favorite bands from his teenage years: Foreigner and Styx. The only problem was that neither guy was actually a member of their respective band at the time. Thus, he approached the idea of interviewing Foreigner singer Kelly Hansen and Styx singer/keyboardist Lawrence Gowan with some trepidation.

What on earth would he ask mere hired guns whose job it was to help a couple original members hustle a revamped version of a once-great band on the nostalgia and casino circuit?

This practice is nothing new, of course. As a kid, I remember attending concerts by Paul Revere & The Raiders and Lovin’ Spoonful where it was painfully obvious that, while the songs may have been recognizable, the musicians onstage were not.


Styx – “Come Sail Away,” circa ‘82

I didn’t expect it to happen to my rock & roll, though.

I guess every new generation thinks it’ll never happen to them, but, alas, the day will come when Fall Out Boy and Good Charlotte trot out a cobbled-together version of their former selves for the sole purpose of playing state fairs and the like.

What’s most disheartening about this whole situation, of course is that, in some cases, once-great bands are touring with NO original members. That’s right, none, nada, zilch.

A total sham.

Case in point: Australia’s Little River Band. Through an inexplicable oversight on the part of the original members, a musician hired by the band in the 80’s secured rights to the name and began performing as “Little River Band.” He eventually retired from performing, but continues to license use of the name to another guy who did some time in a later version of the band. That guy continues to tour to this day with a line-up of American musicians, some of which hadn’t even been born yet when Little River Band first formed. What’s even more ridiculous is that when the original Little River Band reunited a few years ago, they found themselves legally unable to use the name “Little River Band”. Instead, three original members of the group now tour under the unwieldy moniker “Birtles Shorrock Goble: The Original Voices of Little River Band.”


Fauxreigner – “Urgent,” circa ‘06

Southern rockers Molly Hatchet are also still a touring entity despite the fact that, for most of the ’90s, their line-up included no original members. By 2000, the rights to the band’s name had been secured by Bobby Ingram, who’d joined the band in 1989. In 2005, founding guitarist Dave Hlubek rejoined the band and remains a part of the current line-up.

My friend, finding the idea of interviewing someone who has no relevant history with the band for which they now play, took matters into his own hands. When interviewing these guys, he proceeded as if he were interviewing an original member. He asked Styx’s singer, Lawrence Gowan, what it was like to enjoy such dramatic chart success in the ’70s and ’80s with hits such as “Lady,” “Mr. Roboto,” and “Too Much Time on My Hands.” Gowan replied matter-of-factly that he was not a part of that line-up.

He then asked Gowan what hit songs he had been a part of during his tenure in the band. Gowan bristled, hesitated, and finally responded that each night he gets to perform songs he grew up listening to, much to the delight of sold-out crowds around the world. (In other words, zero.)


Stynx – “Come Sail Away,” circa ‘07

That would explain the five live albums the band has released in the last seven years, my friend surmised. He then asked what future plans the band had, to which Gowan explained that they’d soon be heading overseas to, gasp, record another live album.

Brief rundown of current 70’s/80’s bands and their “original-members-to-ringers” quotient:
Styx (2/5 original members)
REO Speedwagon (3/5 original members, including singer Kevin Cronin)
Journey (3/5 of their “height of popularity” lineup, much different from their low-selling original line-up)
A Flock of Seagulls (1/4 original members, only singer Mike Score remains)
Berlin (1/5 original members, only singer Terri Nunn remains)
Missing Persons (1/5 original members, only singer Dale Bozzio remains)
The Motels (1/5 original members, only singer Martha Davis remains)
Foreigner (1/6 original members)
The Alarm (1/4 original members, only singer Mike Peters remains)

To end on a somewhat positive note, here’s a gaggle of great 70’s/80’s bands with original line-ups fully intact:

The aforementioned Cheap Trick
Aerosmith
X
The Go-Go’s
Asia
U2
The Police

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  • Hold up there, Captain...

    Asia is now in Two, count 'em, Two great flavors: classic lineup with Wetton, Howe, Downes and Palmer AND Mach 2 Lineup featuring Guthrie Govan, John Payne and Jay Schelling (essentially the "Silent Nation" lineup, later briefly known as GPS).
  • Oh, and you can find a picture of the "Apply On MySpace!" version of Journey here:
    http://www.bravewords.com/news/81022
  • There's one band that's been around since 1970 with its original lineup intact all throughout:

    ZZ Top
  • Darren
    D'oh! Forgot that one, even after Dusty rolled his luggage over my foot in Vegas a mere month ago while I was placing bets at the Hilton.
  • WHarrisBullzEye
    Man, don't get me started on the whole "original Asia vs. post-Wetton Asia" thing. I care way more about it than I ought to, but, dammit, I think the guys who kept the Asia torch going for all those years after the old guard left Downes holding the bag totally got the shaft when the original classic line-up decided they wanted to reunite for the dough-re-mi.
  • This might be one of the only places where this argument would exist.
  • Darren
    This article could have very quickly turned into War & Peace, believe me. So many bands, so many stories.

    Asia, of course, is a case of the sidemen coming to believe they own a chunk of the legacy when, in truth, they don't. John Payne touring as Asia is pure and simple delusion. What next? The Tommy Stinson and the other "hired guns" touring as Guns n Roses without Axl?

    Well, at least they'd hit the stage on time.
  • Having actually read the authorized Asia biography (don't ask), I can state with confidence that Payne did, in fact, come to own a chunk of the legacy -- three-fourths of it, in fact. I forget all the hows and whys, and I'm sure Wetton et al. bought him out when the reunion went down, but yeah...he got his hooks in pretty deep.
  • Darren
    Damn, you've made me curious. Question is do I have enough craps in me between now and the fifth of never to get through such a tome?
  • steve
    There are actually two touring lineups of Asia--one lead by the guy who took over for John Wetton, and the recently reunited original lineup.
  • And let's not forget that Rush has had the same line up since 1974!
  • Loony
    I was going to say Rush as well, untl I realized Neil Peart replaced John Rutsey after the first album. Then after I checked wikipedia about speling I read that a Jeff Jones was the original bassist before Geddy Lee took over before the first album. So really Alex Lifeson is the only original Rush player. Still, Lee, Lifeson, Peart is the definitive Rush since 1974. Really nitpicking of me ain't it?
  • To think that there will come a day when Limp Bizkit joins the summer shed circuit with Fred Durst as the only original member makes me laugh!
  • David_E
    Fun write-up.

    And not to be "that guy," but Styx actually only has one "original" member left, as Chuck P. only sometimes tours with the guys but really isn't full-fledged. And Tommy was a replacement for Jon Curlewski.

    Also, Asia might be reformed now, but holy cow they went through guitarists and lead singers like water back in the late '80s through the '90s. So they're not exactly paragons of loyalty.

    Opens up a whole new train of thought, though, to complement your article -- when is swapping in members "fair" ? Is it a time and tenure threwshold? A songwriting one? Hits? Me, I love both eras of Marillion. Both eras of Survivor. (I know that both those example open me up to ridicule, but you get my drift.) What makes some "new guys" stay just that, while others evolve to acceptance?
  • It depends on just who leaves. Sometimes it is a matter of trading plusses. In the case of Marillion, Fish was a great lyricist but Steve Hogarth has a much better voice. Also, Fish could never have pulled off "Brave" and H couldn't have come up with "Childhood's End".

    Most of these Fair-Tour bands exist only for that circuit. Occasionally they'll record an album but it's often a covers album or an extra track for an umpteenth Greatest Hits package. When they go with all-new material, it often ends up like Styx's "Cyclorama"... or the Pumpkins "Zeitgeist".

    "Hello, Podunk! Wanna hear 'Disarm'?"
  • I interviewed JY Young in 2006 and he said that he was an original member of the group.
  • Malchus
    Don't forget the E Street Band. What about the Blackhearts? Did Joan Jett retain the original members?

    Of course, you can't blame Spinal Tap. Their drummers keep dying.
  • billy budapest
    What? You mean to say that Fall Out Boy and Good Charlotte aren't already on the State Fair circuit? Who knew!?!
  • Kurrt's Krap
    Ya know, in Gowan's defense, the band has recorded original studio music with him singing. Not much of it, 1 or 2 albums but it's better than a hired gun like Hansen.
  • Kurt's Krap
    Dammit! I can't even spell my own name right!
  • EightE1
    I wouldn't put the blame on (or put intentionally snarky questions to) Lawrence Gowan or Kelly Hansen. What Styx or Foreigner fan wouldn't want to front their favorite band? If you want to talk to one of the originals, get Mick Jones or JY Young on the line. Gowan and Hansen are doing pretty well for themselves playing in bands whose former singers either didn't want to be bothered or bitched themselves out of their gig.

    And I gotta say, I prefer to hear Kelly Hansen sing Foreigner songs than to hear recent vintage Lou Gramm, whose voice (at least the last time I saw him play) was pretty much shot. Check out the budget Foreigner Extended Versions disc (it's cheap -- I paid 6 bucks for mine) and hear for yourself.

    Rob
    EightE1
  • David_E
    As far as that goes, I find Gowan to be a better singer and keyboard player than Dennis ever was. Plus, I liked "More Love for the Money" from Cyclorama quite a bit (sorry, Dw).

    There! Let the pro-Dennis comment floodgates be opened!

    (Also, you want to get ridiculous when comparing the various strengths of stringers, scabs, walk-ons and holdouts? One word: Yes.)

    (The band, not the reply.)
  • I think Dennis has a great voice. From all I've read about him though, he's an insufferable ass.
  • JonCummings
    Yeah, not to mention that, 25 years on, his songs really suck. How does the man who wrote "Babe" live with himself? (I imagine he sleeps on a mattress filled with money, but regardless...) To this day I sincerely regret that, in my new-wave-free high school, I was in the Styx camp rather than the Rush camp. Anybody looking for a long-sleeved, badly shrunk "Paradise Theatre" T-shirt?
  • shannon
    i am- that would be cool to get the tshirt!
  • gowangirl
    gowan is better than deyoung ever was-----
  • Hey -- it's my first opportunity to mention on Popdose something I mention on every other blog: I work with Styx's drummer's brother.

    No, not the original drummer. The guy who has been in the band for 12 years or so, starting just after John Panozzo was no longer able to play. So they've had as much drum continuity as circumstances will allow.

    Styx is basically late-80s Pink Floyd at this point. You've got half the creative team and the most important member of the supporting cast. DeYoung is just playing the part of Roger Waters.

    No mention here of Yes, which was down to 3/5 of its original lineup after three albums and then 2/5 after five. Still recorded some decent stuff.

    AC/DC took a big step backward when original drummer Phil Rudd came back to the band, replacing Chris Slade. Slade, incidentally, was in Asia for a while.
  • David_E
    Todd Sucherman is a damn fine drummer.
  • Yes lineups are like a really screwed up episode of "Big Love".
  • shannon
    you work with todds bother? can he get backstage passes when they're in indiana
  • Are there any bands that Chris Slade hasn't played for?
  • shannon
    lawrence gowan is the ONLY reason i go to styx concerts-hes extremely talented-way better than dennis deyoung because he doesnt have a huge ego--ive met lawrence a few times and he is very down to earth and very friendly-- tommy shaw was very rude and seemed like he was being bothered by us asking for an autograph-hes a loser-lawrence has made styx so many new fans -styx is very fortunate to have him--i will never go to a lawrenceless styx concert!!lol
  • George
    Don't forget that Poison is 4 for 4 in the original members department. And Warrant is dangerously close with everyone but Jani Lane and there are rumors that he is rejoining.
  • tvh
    If you have an axe and replace the handle, then later replace the head, is it the same axe?

    And would that axe play in a tent for Topeka Community Days?

    Cool, thought provoking article, Darren.
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