An Open Letter to Trent Reznor

Darren Robbins June 9, 2008 149

Okay, let me just say right off the top that I’ve always had a bit of a problem with Trent Reznor. This was purely from an artistic POV. As a huge fan of Ministry’s early industrial output (the landmark records Twitch and The Land of Rape and Honey), I saw Trent’s Pretty Hate Machine as a homogenized version of the Ministry aesthetic. It was as if someone had sawed off all the harsh, jagged edges of a Ministry record. No, let me rephrase that. It was as if someone had taken a basic rock record…you know, verse/chorus/verse stuff…and added a little industrial window dressing.

That the suburbs, malls, and amusement parks were soon littered with suburban kids with NIN logos on their chests and backs was proof positive that Trent Reznor had succeeded in making industrial music palatable for the suburbs. After all, suburban kids wanted to feel “bad-ass” too, but those Ministry records were some scary shit. NIN, on the other hand, was no more frightening than watching The Crow for the hundredth time.

So, yeah, I thought Reznor was a poseur.

That opinion did not change when I saw him have a mini-meltdown at Lollapalooza when his pre-programmed keyboards wouldn’t work. Seriously, Diana Ross, Liza Minnelli, and the rest of their ilk have nothing on this guy.Of course, along the way, the guy actually managed to write “Hurt,” which I heartily believe is a fucking great song, but doing so only made me expect more from the guy. If he was capable of that, then why did we keep getting albums that were, by and large, huge steaming piles of unfulfilled promise?

Because his fans accepted those albums as symbols of musical brilliance, that’s why. Very few artists have a core fan base as easily swayed by blinking lights and ear candy as Reznor’s diehard fans. With every new NIN release, these guys come out of the woodwork, hailing it as yet another masterpiece from the Trent-man. What they don’t tell you is that they hadn’t listened to the previous NIN album for several months. Sure, it sounded great when it first landed in their CD players. Those growling synths, the growling vocals, those kick-ass growling bass lines…those blips and bleeps that added just enough high frequency to all the growling…but where were the songs? The sound of the world falling apart is cool for a few listens, but, after awhile, the mind craves something it can sink its teeth into, like a memorable chorus or melody line.

And that became my biggest problem with Trent — even bigger than the problem I had with him homogenizing the Ministry template and creating industrial rock for misguided frat boys and suburban Gen X’ers.

Whereas Al Jourgenson had murderously abused synths, thereby getting sounds out of them that were justifiably menacing, Trent was using samples of synthesizers being pummeled. His music was supposed to sound like it had come from some mad scientist’s laboratory deep in the bowels of some urban wasteland, but, instead, it sounded like it came from some geek’s laptop from the far reaches of the local Starbucks. NIN’s supposed musical mayhem, upon which the critics and fans could not have thrust more praise, was nothing more than a variety of well-chosen ProTools plug-ins.When Trent chose to make fans pay for his music, he gave them an instrumental album.

When he decided to go the free route, he gave them one that had actual songs, and vocals, but that, in the end, was hastily recorded (over a three-week period) and released. As a result, he said he expects his next project to take more “editorial time.” That’ll be a project where he’ll no doubt ask his fans for money again because, by then, he’ll need it.

After all, the renovations to his mansion tucked safely away in the hills of the 90210 zip code aren’t going to pay for themselves. See, Trent is now an “indie” artist. He’ll be the first one to tell you that, too. Once you make your first million, though, and have worries the likes of whether one sends Jimmy Iovine a Christmas card or a Hanukkah card, you start pining for “indie” status like Michael Douglas must have pined for Catherine Zeta-Jones the moment he saw the “ass-and-lasers” scene in Entrapment.

In other words, he wanted so verrrrry badly to nuzzle up next to that luscious “indie” ass, convinced that it was the promised land. Never mind that being plugged into the major label machine had afforded Reznor a lifestyle the likes of which most “indie” artists can only dream. In true “indie” rebel fashion, Reznor had long bucked the major labels system, likening it to The Death Star, convinced that their sole purpose was to exploit him and suck his soul dry.

To hear him tell it (from a room in his Beverly Hills mansion, no doubt), Reznor has been continually ripped off and taken advantage of by his record company. Poor guy.

Now, while I understand there are a lot of you out there reading this who aren’t Trent Reznor, please allow me to address Mr. Reznor directly:

Trent, I respect what you’ve accomplished as an artist. But the idea that you are somehow now an “indie” artist is absurd. You’re simply taking a brand that was built with a hefty amount of major label marketing dollars out into the world to capitalize upon the popularity of that brand. While doing so without the benefit of a label like Interscope may mean fewer sales, the up-side is that you don’t have to share the money with them anymore. That’s a pretty big up-side, don’t you think? It’s probably a pretty nice pay raise too, actually.But, you see, the downside is that you also have to pay for shit out of your own pocket nowadays (much different from those recoupable expenses you had with Interscope). Or – light bulb flashes on – you can simply find a different company to fund your vision. You said as much yourself in a recent New York Times interview:“Now just making good music, or great music, isn’t enough,” Mr. Reznor said. “Now I have to sell T-shirts, or I have to choose which whorish association is the least stinky. I don’t really want to be on the side of a bus or in a BlackBerry ad hawking some product that sucks just so I can get my record out. I want to maintain some dignity and self-respect in the process, if that’s possible these days.”

In other words, the cost of a moveable video screen that changes the tone of a musician’s guitar as it passes in front of them is hellacious. Typical “indie” musician worries, you must be thinking.You’d be wrong, though, Trent.

This particular indie (no quotation marks necessary) musician’s worries run along the lines of figuring out how to pop for a hotel room and afford strings and drumsticks for the rest of the tour to the immediate and long-term budgetary ramifications of adding a second or third color to our tour shirts. Oh yeah, and since my last girlfriend and I broke up, where’s rent coming from?

Truth be told, most truly independent musicians don’t make national news every time they decide to give something away for free. We do it all the fucking time. We play for free if the gig offers the necessary “exposure,” we send out tons of free CDs and swag to prospective booking agents, club owners, record labels, distributors, journalists, bloggers (wait, aren’t bloggers journalists, you ask?), fellow musicians (the customary “rocker swap” wherein we exchange CDs and then never listen to them), cute waitresses (the road is lonely), and we sign deals with indie labels where the potential for seeing dime #1 are nil and both parties know it.

Thus, when indie rockers see a pampered millionaire giving his music away, it tends to rub us the wrong way. It minimizes the sacrifice that indie rockers have been making for years. This is probably a shitty metaphor, but here it goes anyway: imagine some guy who spends his days at the bottom of some off-ramp, cardboard sign in-hand, asking for the kindness of strangers to help him improve upon his own lot in life. Along comes someone with a flashy sign that definitely cost some money — fuck, the dude has even sent out a press release so people will know which off-ramp he’ll be at — and the next thing you know it, the guy with the cardboard sign is left scratching his head.The guy with the flashy sign had probably driven by months earlier in his 2008 black Mercedes, saw someone hand a buck or two to the guy with the cardboard sign, and thought to himself, “Lucky fucker, he gets to keep all that cash and doesn’t have to pay Interscope Records a goddamned dime.”

Pretty soon every off-ramp will have some dude with a flashy sign.

Here’s the kicker: the dude didn’t even pay for the flashy sign with his own money. He got someone else to pay for it. Notice the little “e*trade” logo in the left-hand corner?

How fucking “indie” is that?

My answer: about as “indie” as Fox Searchlight, or Chipotle, or fucking MySpace for that matter.

You wanna truly be indie, Trent?

Sell your next album through CD Baby. Promote the CD and tour with your own cash. If you can’t afford the up-front expense of moveable video screens that change the sound of a musician’s guitar, you go without. If you can’t afford a 50-man crew, you go without. Of course, you’ll still be staying at better hotels than most indie artists can afford, and traveling in nicer buses, but only then will you truly know what it feels like to be indie…and to feel the futility of it all. Futility, you ask? What futility? The futility of making an album that took two years of blood, sweat, & cash available to the world-at-large for whatever price they feel it deserves and, more than likely, ending up with not enough to pay the rent (for just one month even). That futility, Mr. Reznor.

To either prove or disprove my point… Here, in high-quality MP3 format, is my latest album.

The Other Shoe
Drop My Guard
Island
All In Your Mind (long version)
Broken Love
My First Night Without You
Two Ships
Do You Feel Alive?
I Will Surrender
Never Stop Loving You
All In Your Mind (radio edit)

Download, give it a listen, and then donate what it’s worth to you. Anyone giving more than $5 is eligible to receive a retail version of the CD (if they so choose) by simply providing their mailing address with their donation (US residents only). DONATE HERE

  • Stirling, NJ

    Seriously mate? of all the targets you could choose in this rotten industry…

    dear me…

  • Stirling, NJ

    Seriously mate? of all the targets you could choose in this rotten industry…

    dear me…

  • Darren

    Where did all the comments go? I was working all day and looking forward to breaking triple digits on the comment-ometer…only to find out somebody rolled it back.

    Boo.

  • Darren

    Where did all the comments go? I was working all day and looking forward to breaking triple digits on the comment-ometer…only to find out somebody rolled it back.

    Boo.

  • StandingDamaged

    I have to agree about NINs ‘industrial’ being more like industrial done by mr rodgers – and I canunderstand the cynicism of his current move towards nonLabel association…when I 1st read about it I thought , hmmmm, he isn’t selling like he was and the label is pushing him to be more commercial or something…hehehe
    But I did NOT d-load your tunes – I dunno if it my being trapped in dialup hell or being stuck out in the wastelands of central Ky or what but ever since Jefito became Popdose I can no longer get more than 13 seconds tops of any mp3 offered for listening. So I no longer come here to listen, I simply come to read….damn shame that, but I did like the editorial content change that began to include political references and other things alongside the music – it IS all of a pice in the long run anyway :)
    SD

  • http://n/a StandingDamaged

    I have to agree about NINs ‘industrial’ being more like industrial done by mr rodgers – and I canunderstand the cynicism of his current move towards nonLabel association…when I 1st read about it I thought , hmmmm, he isn’t selling like he was and the label is pushing him to be more commercial or something…hehehe
    But I did NOT d-load your tunes – I dunno if it my being trapped in dialup hell or being stuck out in the wastelands of central Ky or what but ever since Jefito became Popdose I can no longer get more than 13 seconds tops of any mp3 offered for listening. So I no longer come here to listen, I simply come to read….damn shame that, but I did like the editorial content change that began to include political references and other things alongside the music – it IS all of a pice in the long run anyway :)
    SD

  • Scraps

    If Trent Reznor was getting it from Ministry, well, Ministry got ut from Killing Joke.

    That said, Trent Reznor acolytes sure are childish whiners, aren’t they? Most folks outgrow the “you’re just jealous” line by high school. As for “just don’t listen”: If you have so little self-confidence that it makes you cry to see a little criticism of your preentious, humorless, eminently mockable idol, do yourself a favor and stop reading anything about him that isn’t a fanboy blowjob.

  • Scraps

    If Trent Reznor was getting it from Ministry, well, Ministry got ut from Killing Joke.

    That said, Trent Reznor acolytes sure are childish whiners, aren’t they? Most folks outgrow the “you’re just jealous” line by high school. As for “just don’t listen”: If you have so little self-confidence that it makes you cry to see a little criticism of your preentious, humorless, eminently mockable idol, do yourself a favor and stop reading anything about him that isn’t a fanboy blowjob.

  • Darren

    Yeah, Ministry got their latter day sound (Psalm 69 and so forth) compliments of Killing Joke (whom I also adore – their debut and “Revelations” being two of my fave albums of all time) but Twitch and the four or five standout tracks on Rape are truly the sound of an artist creating something entirely new. Funny that Killing Joke would later try to jump on the very bandwagon they had inspired. Of course, these days, I prefer new KJ to new Ministry, by far.

  • Darren

    Yeah, Ministry got their latter day sound (Psalm 69 and so forth) compliments of Killing Joke (whom I also adore – their debut and “Revelations” being two of my fave albums of all time) but Twitch and the four or five standout tracks on Rape are truly the sound of an artist creating something entirely new. Funny that Killing Joke would later try to jump on the very bandwagon they had inspired. Of course, these days, I prefer new KJ to new Ministry, by far.

  • some nin fan

    yeah, nin fans are the ones making NIN look bad…
    not this waste of a blog with an obviously passive agressive agenda.

    the real problem with this post is that nothing is fact. its all assumption and its all wrong. the only thing that’s factually correct is trent has mansion in beverly hills.

    trent did in fact promote his own cds for the last three releases. Year Zero (which you’ve clearly never listened to) had an extensive marketing campaign that was headed up by Mr. Reznor. He also started the remix.nin.com on his own accord and when the record company at the last minute decide not to back it, he did it himself. if that’s not indie, i don’t know what is.

    Its also very manipulative to claim you respect Trent’s work when the entire post is completely disrespectful.

    oh and i’m so sure you didn’t delete the comments. someone else must’ve deleted those nasty comments about how your music is subpar. since those are gone, i’ll go ahead and restate: trent’s never claimed to be indie, just independent of a record label.

  • some nin fan

    yeah, nin fans are the ones making NIN look bad…
    not this waste of a blog with an obviously passive agressive agenda.

    the real problem with this post is that nothing is fact. its all assumption and its all wrong. the only thing that’s factually correct is trent has mansion in beverly hills.

    trent did in fact promote his own cds for the last three releases. Year Zero (which you’ve clearly never listened to) had an extensive marketing campaign that was headed up by Mr. Reznor. He also started the remix.nin.com on his own accord and when the record company at the last minute decide not to back it, he did it himself. if that’s not indie, i don’t know what is.

    Its also very manipulative to claim you respect Trent’s work when the entire post is completely disrespectful.

    oh and i’m so sure you didn’t delete the comments. someone else must’ve deleted those nasty comments about how your music is subpar. since those are gone, i’ll go ahead and restate: trent’s never claimed to be indie, just independent of a record label.

  • Mango4u

    Firstly, your remarks about TR are not entrely unfounded. There is truth in that he is now independent but has had the backing of labels for a long period of time, and as such will have the exposure created by said support.

    However, the way you spin your point is fairly ridiculous. I have not read or heard a single interview where he has embraced the ‘indie’ culture you are mentioning. This doesn’t make him any less independent, just not a member of what you, and likely many others, misconstrue as ‘indie’. There are many independent artists out there and many of them with differing histories, income, and monetary investment. Fortunately for TR, and the NIN stakeholders, support has been plenty previous to his decision to be independent.

    Secondly, you seem to proliferate some kind of idea that TR’s music is somewhat prepackaged for the masses. Having listened to some of your tracks, which is clearly a goal of your post, makes me think do not have a clue about what you speak of. Have another listen to your own music before you make terrible accusations.

  • Mango4u

    Firstly, your remarks about TR are not entrely unfounded. There is truth in that he is now independent but has had the backing of labels for a long period of time, and as such will have the exposure created by said support.

    However, the way you spin your point is fairly ridiculous. I have not read or heard a single interview where he has embraced the ‘indie’ culture you are mentioning. This doesn’t make him any less independent, just not a member of what you, and likely many others, misconstrue as ‘indie’. There are many independent artists out there and many of them with differing histories, income, and monetary investment. Fortunately for TR, and the NIN stakeholders, support has been plenty previous to his decision to be independent.

    Secondly, you seem to proliferate some kind of idea that TR’s music is somewhat prepackaged for the masses. Having listened to some of your tracks, which is clearly a goal of your post, makes me think do not have a clue about what you speak of. Have another listen to your own music before you make terrible accusations.

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  • DrHtR

    Firt Of all, Darren. Trent did NOT write Hurt, Johnny Cash did, if you’re going to bash someone, get your damn facts straight. I would also like to comment on your indie hang up, do you really think Reznor would’ve gone Indie straight out of the shoot, been poor and stolen zucchinis from a farmers garden like you wanted him to be? Hell no, because he has a brain, appareantly unlike you. You, see what he’s doing is brilliant. He is taking all that money from the record companies and using it against them, ( which you did comment on, but you can’t see the forest through the trees). He’s being loyal to his fans, giving us free albums, encouraging us to “steal” his music. He’s a business man. Have you ever hear of the term music BUSINESS, yeah…it’s right there in the title. I know your so green with envy you can’t see straight, but maybe instead of bashing Trent, you should take a few hints since no body really knows who the hell you are except for being some whore who bashes people with actual talent for a publicity stunt (bad business move). Oh, and by the way I listened to your song “the other shoe”, exactly how many times did you listen to “jessie’s girl” by Rick Springfield before wrting that piece of shit. You make musicians like Yoko Ono sound as good as her late husband (he was a beatle by the way, you don’t seem to research these things much so I thought I’d help out) and shove those “two ships” up your ass while you’re at it.

  • DrHtR

    Firt Of all, Darren. Trent did NOT write Hurt, Johnny Cash did, if you’re going to bash someone, get your damn facts straight. I would also like to comment on your indie hang up, do you really think Reznor would’ve gone Indie straight out of the shoot, been poor and stolen zucchinis from a farmers garden like you wanted him to be? Hell no, because he has a brain, appareantly unlike you. You, see what he’s doing is brilliant. He is taking all that money from the record companies and using it against them, ( which you did comment on, but you can’t see the forest through the trees). He’s being loyal to his fans, giving us free albums, encouraging us to “steal” his music. He’s a business man. Have you ever hear of the term music BUSINESS, yeah…it’s right there in the title. I know your so green with envy you can’t see straight, but maybe instead of bashing Trent, you should take a few hints since no body really knows who the hell you are except for being some whore who bashes people with actual talent for a publicity stunt (bad business move). Oh, and by the way I listened to your song “the other shoe”, exactly how many times did you listen to “jessie’s girl” by Rick Springfield before wrting that piece of shit. You make musicians like Yoko Ono sound as good as her late husband (he was a beatle by the way, you don’t seem to research these things much so I thought I’d help out) and shove those “two ships” up your ass while you’re at it.

  • sexual lobster

    Hurt was covered by Johny Cash. The originl was by NIN.

  • sexual lobster

    Hurt was covered by Johny Cash. The originl was by NIN.

  • http://mchumak.wordpress.com/ HYPERPOWER!

    “Trent did NOT write Hurt, Johnny Cash did”

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha *gasp* /die

    Crybaby.

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  • Mattnh

    “First Of all, DrHtR. Johnny Cash did NOT write Hurt, Trent did, if you’re going to correct someone, get your damn facts straight.”
    Fixed.

    LOL

  • Mattnh

    “First Of all, DrHtR. Johnny Cash did NOT write Hurt, Trent did, if you’re going to correct someone, get your damn facts straight.”
    Fixed.

    LOL

  • Eatyourblud

    Fuck me . Your music really sucks ass dude….No wonder you're so bitter. And i wouldn't bother with any more “radio edits” if i was you. Pretending to be a station announcer in your basement, spinning your own cd to an imaginary listening audience, does not constitute radio play in any way, shape or form.

    And put your damn pants back on.

  • Lindsie

    Trent Reznor was good enough to get signed. You're just angry you're not. . .

  • Raul in Miami

    You are a fucking idiot. Your hypocrisy is only evident to the poor souls such as myself who stomach this column all the way to the end where you plug your album using the Trent Reznor and Ministry brands. You are like all the whining socialist lemming kids spitting out the same anti-capitalist diatribes burned into their simple minds by the likes of CNN and washed-up college professor/hippies. I wouldn’t listen to your music if you paid me to.

  • Nineinchtoenails

    omg i cant belive this guy! in the end it turned into a fall off a fucking cliff conclusion to listen to his shitty ass music his voice sounds worse then brett michels takeing a dump on laxatives…i hope no one else reads this or you will be wasteing your time…second thing i want to say is HYPERPOWER! i'm sick of fucking idiots like you saying Jchash made hurt by god it's alll over the fucking net and every one is saying it even my sister arguged with me for an hour about it STFU Trent made hurt and you should realize this cuz it dosent even sound like a cash song

  • nineinchtoenails

    sorry hyperpower i meant tot say the drhtr guy btw i know my spelling sucks asnd i ddontttt care cuz this is a fucking BLOW
    ass blog

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  • Vect

    Seriously, do you think Trent ALWAYS lived in that big house he has now? Do you think he has always had the success he has now? He didn't just click his fucking fingers and have a fucking label at the start of it all. He DID struggle, just like you are now and when he did I bet he didn't whine like a little bitch like yourself. And, do you think that just because he happened to get a break that their was no struggles in his life thereafter? It might surprise you to know that Trent, like every other person on this planet, has more in their life than just their work.

    Since when has he ever bitched about his house not being big enough? Or his car not flashy enough? Had he complained about those things instead of his personal issues then maybe you could sit there and say he is a whiny little brat, but seriously, all you did was make yourself sound like a little bitch complaining because someone who creates music you dislike, made it and you didn't and probably never will (yes, I listened to your tracks and now my ears bleed).

    Had your argument been more constructive and less of a whine then maybe I'd have agreed on a few points.

  • http://yourmother.com Your mother

    THIS IS TOP NOTCH GAY

    pick a different career asshole.

    yeah you fucking shit head

    what did you say? Hey fuck you!!!

  • http://yourmother.com Your mother

    THIS IS TOP NOTCH GAY

    pick a different career asshole.

    yeah you fucking shit head

    what did you say? Hey fuck you!!!

  • My name is matt.

    You come across as one of those people who goes to the band's first show, kills everyone in the audience, and then proceeds to kill the band, just so you can say you're the only one who ever saw them live. So yeah, you're the stereotypical Indie kid.

    Reznor lived in Pennsylvania with his grandma when he was a kid, he wasn't some trust-fund asshole fated to a life of financial success. He made his own success. So I find it a contradiction that you whine about money like a little bitch, and meanwhile say the true artist is required to be poor. It really shows where your heart is.

    I agree, I'm not really a fan of his earlier stuff either, it's too poppy and repetitive for my taste. But his more personal/true music (i.e. Fixed, the Fragile, halo 17B, Ghosts 1-4) is no less credible than any other artist.

    You're just a punk who gets off by trying to take other people down with you.

    Arvo Pärt, Jack Kerouac, William Basinski, Taku Sugimoto, Morton Feldman, John Cage. These musicians need more attention, do you even know who they are? I bet, after 5 minutes on wikipedia, you'd say you do know them 'cause you're so fucking indie.

  • same guy

    “This post is pure comedy, and a perfect example of “indie” elitism that has gotten way out of hand.”

    agreed. masturbate to animal collective and get a little stress off your chest. Or better yet, get laid.

    advice: don't sing to her.

  • Cryoc

    Ok first off Trent made millions because he did somthing ORGINAL. Wow what a concept. Second everyone who is in the music industry complains about the record labels. They rape them on there music. That is what is so great about computer technology and recording, it's made it affordable for anybody to record professional sounding music. It's not just about the money though and that is why you are missing the point. Most people who are into the indie scene do it for the love of music and to fight against The Man.( record labels). The free music movement is about the music. Not your self righteous attempt to make your self look like a martyr for the indie music movement.

  • mojo

    dude!!!

    you are awesomeness of the awesome!

    get yo sexy ass on down to nin.com and let the duped masses know what you think of his latest posing.

    http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?9,548515,page=1

    your clarity is so refreshing and well done for having your head on so straight.

    don t listen to the “minions” on here… cos they obviously don t repsond to integrity.

  • INDIEvidualDeathsForUsAll

    …. This is the most important moment of your life.. Right ?

    It's your life. You do what you like.

  • johnny cash owns "hurt"

    this is a really bitter article, for sure. in fact, i think actually that it's good when bigger artists give stuff away for free. they should all do it, and then maybe the music industry will finally die.

    on the other hand, i have to admit that i do agree that trent reznor is an overrated talentless douchebag. one thing is true though, “hurt” is a good song. other than than, meh.

    i just don't buy into all his dark bullshit…seems insincere to me…like he just wants to show the world his “dark, edgy” side. plus he does whine too much.

    it's cool for those who like him, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but after working in music stores selling his shit to dumb kids who think he's a god and buy anything with a NIN logo on it, i just find him and his music incredibly annoying.

  • j.antkowski

    so your going to diss instrumental albums…. by the way the voice is an instrument too. your going to diss jazz records and orchestral records. things that are part of the music world. every recording could be considered an instrumental album. a musical instrument can be the voice, drums, a piano, anything thats recorded. “Seriously, an instrumental album?” saying that… but on your website frontpage you have the word symphony. and your talking shit on a recording with no vocals.
    so what if you dont like the music. you dont have to. and thats that. it really shows how jealous you are.
    i dont like your music. but am i going to whine and bitch about it? no.

  • Ryan

    I just rofl'd all over my computer and nearly pissed my pants after you go off on this tangent about marketing no-nos and garbage like that-then proceed to turn the whole article into a marketing ploy!

    Hahaha

  • Ashleighb

    Even though this post is over a year old I'll put in my two cents. I did not listen to your album because frankly I don't care whether you get huge from this or not. From what I can pick up from the comments your music is pretty shitty….but I digress. What irks me is you, this self proclaimed indie guy, are trying to ride the coattails of hating on big rock stars to make it big yourself. You bitch that TR has millions of dollars and has things and people only one could dream of. But isn't that, ultimately, what you're trying to attain? My suggestion to you, my friend, is to watch the man and take some damn notes. TR went from recording 'Pretty Hate Machine' after working as a janitor in a recording studio to living the American dream. But, if you're going to sit there and tell me that making shitty music and bashing important people is your American dream then keep it up. Great Job!

  • whatever

    Sounds like jealousy swamped in and drowned by a sense of under-achievement while thinking..”wow, how did Reznor think of that.”.or..”wow”, Reznor was a genius with the Ghosts package”.

    You are an artist..Reznor is an artist..however..a TRUE artist can appreciate another artist's work. I guess, maybe you do not exactly fit in that category. Also, it looks like you used Reznor and Ministry as “tags” to get your music noticed in the world of the internet..hmm, maybe you need Reznor after all.

  • whatever

    Sounds like jealousy swamped in and drowned by a sense of under-achievement while thinking..”wow, how did Reznor think of that.”.or..”wow”, Reznor was a genius with the Ghosts package”.

    You are an artist..Reznor is an artist..however..a TRUE artist can appreciate another artist's work. I guess, maybe you do not exactly fit in that category. Also, it looks like you used Reznor and Ministry as “tags” to get your music noticed in the world of the internet..hmm, maybe you need Reznor after all.

  • whatever

    Sounds like jealousy swamped in and drowned by a sense of under-achievement while thinking..”wow, how did Reznor think of that.”.or..”wow”, Reznor was a genius with the Ghosts package”.

    You are an artist..Reznor is an artist..however..a TRUE artist can appreciate another artist's work. I guess, maybe you do not exactly fit in that category. Also, it looks like you used Reznor and Ministry as “tags” to get your music noticed in the world of the internet..hmm, maybe you need Reznor after all.

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  • Mew

    you write this shit as if “being indie” is more important than the music itself. or the brilliance it takes to make career maneuvers as Trent has. he’s played the majors, and now he’s a boss. and somehow, this ambition is to be criticized? the fact is “indie” just means you haven’t made it yet or never will.

  • Emzyenzy2

    First of all, let me say your arguments, for the most part, are very intelligently argued.  I don’t agree with most of what you said, but you back it with your own experiences and that’s worth something.

    I, like you, am a huge Ministry fan.  I’m also a huge Nine Inch Nails fan.  In a day in age where EVERYONE uses Pro Tools, I get a little steamed when people compare the two.  A keyboard does not an industrial band make.  Ministry are essentially a heavy metal band that utilizes technology to enhance their sound.  While I realize they have morphed into this from what used to be far more electronic, the fact remains that if you take a listen, Nine Inch Nails is a very different animal.  Does some of it speak of Ministry’s influence?  Sure, back in the Spiral and before days. But if you really take in what Reznor has done since then, you’ll find he broke away from that mold a long time ago.  Whether you like him or not is entirely up to you, but musically, it can’t really be argued that these bands have much in common anymore.  I mean Reznor’s scoring movies now for God’s sakes.  And might I add, in my humble opinion, doing it quite well.  I also believe he knows how lucky he is to be where he is, as he’s humbly mentioned so in several recent interviews regarding these experiences.  

    The ironic thing about your accusations at Reznor is that Jourgensen fought the same battle, and for a while was just as huge as Reznor.  Like Reznor, Jourgensen is now able to do what he does because he spent some time on a major label.  The thing these musicians really have in common is that they’ve followed similar paths.  I also find them both to be very uncompromising when it comes to their vision and I respect the hell out of both of them for it.  I also recognize that they are entirely different visions.

    Anyway, please don’t see my retort as disrespect.  I fully understand where you’re coming from.  I’m an independent musician too, and I certainly struggle financially.  So I hear you.  I’m simply saying we as indie artists have to be careful taking potshots at pop artists, it makes us sound jealous, and if anyone needs their dignity (as you insinuated, and I’m right by you with this), it’s us, not people like Reznor.

    Thanks for posting this.  I applaud you for speaking your mind so sincerely.  I wish there were more like you.

  • bahahaha

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darren_Robbins

    Wow looks like someones failed carreer is really pissing him off. Also looks like you recorded an album that was never released in 1988. I notice that you appear to be an idiot in this picture.

    Protip: Just change your pseudonym again, lemme give you some suggestions
    1. My broken Hipster Heart
    2. Misogyny Itis
    3. Lukewarm Bathwater
    4. Salvation Army Flannel Collection
    5. Cloth Band Aid
    6. Webcrawler.com
    7. Mediocre Frenchman
    8. My Chemical Addiction
    9. Neckbeard Land Lubber
    10.Tight Pants, Low Sperm

    I hope this helps in getting your failed career back on track!