An Open Letter to Trent Reznor

Darren Robbins June 9, 2008 149

Okay, let me just say right off the top that I’ve always had a bit of a problem with Trent Reznor. This was purely from an artistic POV. As a huge fan of Ministry’s early industrial output (the landmark records Twitch and The Land of Rape and Honey), I saw Trent’s Pretty Hate Machine as a homogenized version of the Ministry aesthetic. It was as if someone had sawed off all the harsh, jagged edges of a Ministry record. No, let me rephrase that. It was as if someone had taken a basic rock record…you know, verse/chorus/verse stuff…and added a little industrial window dressing.

That the suburbs, malls, and amusement parks were soon littered with suburban kids with NIN logos on their chests and backs was proof positive that Trent Reznor had succeeded in making industrial music palatable for the suburbs. After all, suburban kids wanted to feel “bad-ass” too, but those Ministry records were some scary shit. NIN, on the other hand, was no more frightening than watching The Crow for the hundredth time.

So, yeah, I thought Reznor was a poseur.

That opinion did not change when I saw him have a mini-meltdown at Lollapalooza when his pre-programmed keyboards wouldn’t work. Seriously, Diana Ross, Liza Minnelli, and the rest of their ilk have nothing on this guy.Of course, along the way, the guy actually managed to write “Hurt,” which I heartily believe is a fucking great song, but doing so only made me expect more from the guy. If he was capable of that, then why did we keep getting albums that were, by and large, huge steaming piles of unfulfilled promise?

Because his fans accepted those albums as symbols of musical brilliance, that’s why. Very few artists have a core fan base as easily swayed by blinking lights and ear candy as Reznor’s diehard fans. With every new NIN release, these guys come out of the woodwork, hailing it as yet another masterpiece from the Trent-man. What they don’t tell you is that they hadn’t listened to the previous NIN album for several months. Sure, it sounded great when it first landed in their CD players. Those growling synths, the growling vocals, those kick-ass growling bass lines…those blips and bleeps that added just enough high frequency to all the growling…but where were the songs? The sound of the world falling apart is cool for a few listens, but, after awhile, the mind craves something it can sink its teeth into, like a memorable chorus or melody line.

And that became my biggest problem with Trent — even bigger than the problem I had with him homogenizing the Ministry template and creating industrial rock for misguided frat boys and suburban Gen X’ers.

Whereas Al Jourgenson had murderously abused synths, thereby getting sounds out of them that were justifiably menacing, Trent was using samples of synthesizers being pummeled. His music was supposed to sound like it had come from some mad scientist’s laboratory deep in the bowels of some urban wasteland, but, instead, it sounded like it came from some geek’s laptop from the far reaches of the local Starbucks. NIN’s supposed musical mayhem, upon which the critics and fans could not have thrust more praise, was nothing more than a variety of well-chosen ProTools plug-ins.When Trent chose to make fans pay for his music, he gave them an instrumental album.

When he decided to go the free route, he gave them one that had actual songs, and vocals, but that, in the end, was hastily recorded (over a three-week period) and released. As a result, he said he expects his next project to take more “editorial time.” That’ll be a project where he’ll no doubt ask his fans for money again because, by then, he’ll need it.

After all, the renovations to his mansion tucked safely away in the hills of the 90210 zip code aren’t going to pay for themselves. See, Trent is now an “indie” artist. He’ll be the first one to tell you that, too. Once you make your first million, though, and have worries the likes of whether one sends Jimmy Iovine a Christmas card or a Hanukkah card, you start pining for “indie” status like Michael Douglas must have pined for Catherine Zeta-Jones the moment he saw the “ass-and-lasers” scene in Entrapment.

In other words, he wanted so verrrrry badly to nuzzle up next to that luscious “indie” ass, convinced that it was the promised land. Never mind that being plugged into the major label machine had afforded Reznor a lifestyle the likes of which most “indie” artists can only dream. In true “indie” rebel fashion, Reznor had long bucked the major labels system, likening it to The Death Star, convinced that their sole purpose was to exploit him and suck his soul dry.

To hear him tell it (from a room in his Beverly Hills mansion, no doubt), Reznor has been continually ripped off and taken advantage of by his record company. Poor guy.

Now, while I understand there are a lot of you out there reading this who aren’t Trent Reznor, please allow me to address Mr. Reznor directly:

Trent, I respect what you’ve accomplished as an artist. But the idea that you are somehow now an “indie” artist is absurd. You’re simply taking a brand that was built with a hefty amount of major label marketing dollars out into the world to capitalize upon the popularity of that brand. While doing so without the benefit of a label like Interscope may mean fewer sales, the up-side is that you don’t have to share the money with them anymore. That’s a pretty big up-side, don’t you think? It’s probably a pretty nice pay raise too, actually.But, you see, the downside is that you also have to pay for shit out of your own pocket nowadays (much different from those recoupable expenses you had with Interscope). Or – light bulb flashes on – you can simply find a different company to fund your vision. You said as much yourself in a recent New York Times interview:“Now just making good music, or great music, isn’t enough,” Mr. Reznor said. “Now I have to sell T-shirts, or I have to choose which whorish association is the least stinky. I don’t really want to be on the side of a bus or in a BlackBerry ad hawking some product that sucks just so I can get my record out. I want to maintain some dignity and self-respect in the process, if that’s possible these days.”

In other words, the cost of a moveable video screen that changes the tone of a musician’s guitar as it passes in front of them is hellacious. Typical “indie” musician worries, you must be thinking.You’d be wrong, though, Trent.

This particular indie (no quotation marks necessary) musician’s worries run along the lines of figuring out how to pop for a hotel room and afford strings and drumsticks for the rest of the tour to the immediate and long-term budgetary ramifications of adding a second or third color to our tour shirts. Oh yeah, and since my last girlfriend and I broke up, where’s rent coming from?

Truth be told, most truly independent musicians don’t make national news every time they decide to give something away for free. We do it all the fucking time. We play for free if the gig offers the necessary “exposure,” we send out tons of free CDs and swag to prospective booking agents, club owners, record labels, distributors, journalists, bloggers (wait, aren’t bloggers journalists, you ask?), fellow musicians (the customary “rocker swap” wherein we exchange CDs and then never listen to them), cute waitresses (the road is lonely), and we sign deals with indie labels where the potential for seeing dime #1 are nil and both parties know it.

Thus, when indie rockers see a pampered millionaire giving his music away, it tends to rub us the wrong way. It minimizes the sacrifice that indie rockers have been making for years. This is probably a shitty metaphor, but here it goes anyway: imagine some guy who spends his days at the bottom of some off-ramp, cardboard sign in-hand, asking for the kindness of strangers to help him improve upon his own lot in life. Along comes someone with a flashy sign that definitely cost some money — fuck, the dude has even sent out a press release so people will know which off-ramp he’ll be at — and the next thing you know it, the guy with the cardboard sign is left scratching his head.The guy with the flashy sign had probably driven by months earlier in his 2008 black Mercedes, saw someone hand a buck or two to the guy with the cardboard sign, and thought to himself, “Lucky fucker, he gets to keep all that cash and doesn’t have to pay Interscope Records a goddamned dime.”

Pretty soon every off-ramp will have some dude with a flashy sign.

Here’s the kicker: the dude didn’t even pay for the flashy sign with his own money. He got someone else to pay for it. Notice the little “e*trade” logo in the left-hand corner?

How fucking “indie” is that?

My answer: about as “indie” as Fox Searchlight, or Chipotle, or fucking MySpace for that matter.

You wanna truly be indie, Trent?

Sell your next album through CD Baby. Promote the CD and tour with your own cash. If you can’t afford the up-front expense of moveable video screens that change the sound of a musician’s guitar, you go without. If you can’t afford a 50-man crew, you go without. Of course, you’ll still be staying at better hotels than most indie artists can afford, and traveling in nicer buses, but only then will you truly know what it feels like to be indie…and to feel the futility of it all. Futility, you ask? What futility? The futility of making an album that took two years of blood, sweat, & cash available to the world-at-large for whatever price they feel it deserves and, more than likely, ending up with not enough to pay the rent (for just one month even). That futility, Mr. Reznor.

To either prove or disprove my point… Here, in high-quality MP3 format, is my latest album.

The Other Shoe
Drop My Guard
Island
All In Your Mind (long version)
Broken Love
My First Night Without You
Two Ships
Do You Feel Alive?
I Will Surrender
Never Stop Loving You
All In Your Mind (radio edit)

Download, give it a listen, and then donate what it’s worth to you. Anyone giving more than $5 is eligible to receive a retail version of the CD (if they so choose) by simply providing their mailing address with their donation (US residents only). DONATE HERE

  • http://myspace.com/trezire121 master

    I agree. Fuck this ass Darren Robbins.

  • http://myspace.com/trezire121 master

    fuck

  • Eatyourblud

    Fuck me . Your music really sucks ass dude….No wonder you're so bitter.

    And i wouldn't bother with any more “radio edits” if i was you. Pretending to be a station announcer in your basement, spinning your own cd to an imaginary listening audience, does not constitute radio play in any way, shape or form.

    And put your pants back on.

  • MahouGirl

    Yeah, dude, an instrumental album. Ever heard of Pelican? It's not that alien of a concept.

  • MahouGirl

    Fair enough, but you weren't writing about being a cancer survivor being supported by his GF, you were writing from the perspective of an indie rock musician trying to pay the bills, and frankly, if your music isn't paying the bills after X amount of years, it's time to let “indie” go.

    Congrats on kicking the cancer, BTW.

  • SW

    This post is pure comedy, and a perfect example of “indie” elitism that has gotten way out of hand.

  • Sick of reading Crybaby Crap!

    Dude you are a whiney jealous crybaby! Embarrising!

  • sushis

    IAWTC!

    A+++++++++++++ E-BAY SELLER!

  • Malchus

    What's embarrassing is your spelling.

  • Blue

    You should probably do some research on a band if you are going to bad mouth them. NIN has always paid for their tours in the past and it would be impossible for their label to pay for this tour because they does not have one. Reznor is an independent artist. That means he is not on a major label NOT that he is poor and unappreciated.
    Listen YOU made a choice to be an independent artist and you were unsuccessful. Now you are whining because someone else made decisions that brought them success. At least when Reznor whines WE get something out of it like free music or encouragement to steal it.
    I also find it funny that of all the artists who are leaving their major label contracts you pick an artist who is easy to take shoots at. Many will believe your inaccurate statements simply because they don’t like NIN. After all if you don’t like a bands music no one should.
    P.S. Al Jourgenson has repeatedly said that the term Industrial was given to Ministry by journalist who don’t know anything about music.

  • sushis

    “Trent is milking the fans now…he's got to in order to maintain his way of life…Trent's tour this summer will bank on the nostalgia, but the release of this free album sends up enough of a smokescreen that most fans won't realize it til they get there.”

    So, your argument is that Trent gave away a free album so he could *trick* his fans into paying to see him live? So he could renovate his house?

    He's a crafty bastard, he is!

  • anon

    He probably wouldnt mind leaving LA considering prior to the last album he stated in the press that he was there for the convenience of the city.. NOT because he thought it was the best place on the planet to park his life.

  • David_E

    (Walks in from other blog)

    “… Hey Darren, have you seen my — AH! AHHH! SHITSTORM!” (Rushes out)

  • blerg

    where are you getting this 'indie' bullshit from? the label type on the NIN myspace/youtube/whatever pages?

    indie as in independant label, dumbshit. not 'indie' as in the genre.

    l2reed.

  • http://gard.com Mafu

    Nice neck dude …. oh wait ….

  • Mattnh

    I don't get it.
    You'll have to explain it to me.

    “Trent is milking the fans now…he's got to in order to maintain his way of life. You think he wants to leave Beverly Hills?”

    Giving away a record for free and still Trent gets me to pay him money to maintain his way of life?
    I've seen NIN live before and for a great show like that I'm willing to pay.
    It's called craftsmanship and I like to see sweaty men play cool tunes.
    And they work hard for it.
    Where does the milking come in?

    The rest of your statement sounds like an overrated RNR-myth to me.
    'You'll have to suffer all the way to be a great creative artist'-kind of thing.
    That is a strange sort of nostalgia and only for 50+ wannabees.
    Stop kidding yourself.
    It's embarrassing.

  • Mattnh

    And I quote:
    “David Bowie compared NIN's impact to that of The Velvet Underground.”
    Say hi to your wife.

  • mojo

    She doesn't keep up on all the celebrity gossip. She just knows what tuneage she likes and doesn't.

    No major angst-y analysis like you and me and all the world of popdose does (ah but the discourse is sweet, isn't it?). If we don't like something here at popdose (readers and writers) we have to analyze why. She just turns it off. I sometimes wish I had that capacity. But no. I'm here instead breaking comments–comments!–to a post I didn't even write.

    I will say, however, at the risk of opening another massive can of worms, that NIN=VU is about right (VU and Reed don't get the traction among many popdose writers that they do elsewhere). Not saying VU was just another Cutting Crew, but Robbins' point remains intact: Ministry and a fistful of other industrial bands blazed the trail and Reznor suburbi-fied the genre and raked up the trail of cash they left behind because they were too experimental. And now he's whining about it. Feh. Life's rough.

    And as far as David Bowie's own taste in music, can you trust it? One flashback: “Loving the Alien.” One more: the whole CD “Never LEt Me Down.” Nuff said (and I am a Bowie apologist–in fact I think I'm one of the six existing Tin Machine fans because of the Hunt & Tony Sales/Iggy pedigree).

  • http://www.bullz-eye.com DavidMedsker

    It hit me around 1994 that Trent was the '90s equivalent of Alice Cooper. That's not a bad thing, per se, but the comments — and man, did this post generate some funny comments — about image obsession make perfect sense.

    I wish you had gone at Trent from a different angle, namely the one about the well-adjusted, phenomenally successful 40-something guy who still makes records about how messed up his life is and how angry he is about the way people treat him. What nonsense. Time to let the adolescent angst go, Trent. Life is not that bad, and your life in particular is definitely not that bad.

    (opens umbrella, prepares for shit storm)

  • Bob

    Good job, Darren.

    Unfortunately, the crudeness and borderline illiteracy of the NINnies says as much about their hero as you ever could.

  • http://schiing.terjefjelde.com terje

    All these Trentheads have really inspired me. I'm think I'm gonna start defending David Foster with the same kind of ardor, starting tom… fuck it, who am I kidding? I would've been fun, though:

    “Fuck you for criticizing David Foster. Fuck you you are the lowest scum of the earth. Just because someone is rich and famous does not they are evil and money hungry.” HA! (I'm the resident David Foster expert here on Popdose, by the way.)

  • Jay

    Take pot shots at the more blunt fans but do recognize that people are bringing up points that haven't been adressed. So an indie musician's merit is upon how poor or miserable they are? Instrumental or minimalistic albums aren't a legitimate art form?

    Nice Myspace page Mr. Robbins. “Anyone giving more than $5 is eligible to receive a retail version of the CD (if they so choose) by simply providing their mailing address with their donation (US residents only).”

    If you want to ask for handouts to tour the country, and be miserable BUT succeed perhaps you should quit music and take up politics.

  • Jay

    and congrats on overcoming the C

  • BrentP

    Finally, someone friggin' GETS IT. This is the same kind of crap that irks me whenever Radiohead and their ilk get all the press about being so damned indie and 'mould breaking' for bucking the traditional sales model.

    Meanwhile true indie bands who've been precariously betting the bank on notions such as pre-order funding and free music while supporting themselves through merchandising are ignored or worst still acussed of copying these big name bands.

    Oh yes, it is easy to make such 'risky' ventures with millions in the bank and a legion of garage bands who've tried and tested the methodology for you.

    Add in the fact that Reznor has indeed failed to push out anything with a set of balls in over a decade (With Teeth is pathetic and how radio friendly was The Hand that feeds?) and quite frankly the reason Reznor is an entity of note at all is beyond comprehension.

    Bravo to you Darren for daring to say the Emperor has no clothes.

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    I've been thinking the same thing. For a guy who's clearly a genius — at least when it comes to marketing — he sure does have a pack of mouth-breathers for fans.

  • http://myspace.com/aatchb no44

    Have some fucking respect you asshole.
    He never claimed to be on your level.
    He is much more than you,
    And much more than you will ever be.

    Period.
    44

  • B

    I think I have a solution to one of your Problems with NIN/Reznor: if you don’t like it – don’t listen to it. As simple as that. Try it, it works.
    I’ll do the same with your album. I gave it a listen and there’s nothing in it that would make me want to listen to it again… I’m not saying it’s bad, it’s just not my cup of tea. It is purely a matter of taste, there’s no need to rant about it.
    A MATTER OF TASTE – that’s really all there is when it comes to music, I wish you could see that.
    And wish I could give you a helpful advice on the other Problem(s) you have with Trent Reznor, but I already wasted enough time reading your post and writing this comment.
    Best Regards,
    b

  • B

    I think I have a solution to one of your Problems with NIN/Reznor: if you don’t like it – don’t listen to it. As simple as that. Try it, it works.
    I’ll do the same with your album. I gave it a listen and there’s nothing in it that would make me want to listen to it again… I’m not saying it’s bad, it’s just not my cup of tea. It is purely a matter of taste, there’s no need to rant about it.
    A MATTER OF TASTE – that’s really all there is when it comes to music, I wish you could see that.
    And wish I could give you a helpful advice on the other Problem(s) you have with Trent Reznor, but I already wasted enough time reading your post and writing this comment.
    Best Regards,
    b

  • mark

    personally, i have never cared for nine inch nails music and have no interest in it. i also loved ministry's industrial abrasiveness. however, i fully support bands that have reached a certain level of success offering their music for free to their fans without involving major labels, regardless of how the bands built up their fan base in the first place. if it was able to afford a mansion with the proceeds of his past major label dealings, good for him, he is one of the lucky ones. comparing a musician without any following or label backing to nine inch nails situation is apples and oranges. as someone who is in a band, i have very little sympathy for people in bands who are whining about how they are scraping by. join the real world, get a real job, play music because you love it, not because you think someone should be funding your projects. believe in yourself because probably no one else ever will. the facts are that most people will never give a shit about the music you make. disheartening to hear all this? sorry to break it to you. do it because you love it- end of story. nine inch nails music still sucks.

  • http://www.drcastrato.blogspot.com drcastrato

    I haven't really heard much argument here about doing music for the love of the music. I don't give a crap about NIN, but presumably Trent Reznor has made enough money that he doesn't have to work anymore. But he's continuing to record because he LIKES to. People want to hear it because they LIKE it. So what if he gives it away? Does his free music cut into the indie album sales? Is the listener not buying indie albums because they are getting too full on free Reznor? Who knows, maybe that is the case. But even still, the indie artist has no right to complain.

    You can't make a living on music? Welcome to the club. I play in a band, too (and all-instrumental band) and we have a CD and a website and we play tons crappy gigs where no one shows up…and we all work full time. We're in the band because we LOVE TO PLAY MUSIC. There's no glory in suffering for your art. If you want to go for it, by all means, go for it. But do it because you LOVE to do it, and don't complain about Trent Reznor or anybody else doing what they want, too.

  • http://www.kemman.com drcastrato

    what happened to all the other comments?

  • http://www.kemman.com drcastrato

    what happened to all the other comments?

  • Mattnh

    Hey hey, didn’t like the shitstorm?
    Got rid of all the comments you didn’t like?
    That’s grown-up.

  • Mattnh

    Hey hey, didn’t like the shitstorm?
    Got rid of all the comments you didn’t like?
    That’s grown-up.

  • Djynn Flyssa

    Oh man, you really need to get laid.

  • Djynn Flyssa

    Oh man, you really need to get laid.

  • Phoebe Hale

    dude stop whining. if you were any more bitter and jealous you’d probably transform into one giant throbbing vein on the forehead of a bright green midget.

  • Phoebe Hale

    dude stop whining. if you were any more bitter and jealous you’d probably transform into one giant throbbing vein on the forehead of a bright green midget.

  • marodi

    Jealousy is a very ugly thing, mister! Are you sure you want to be remembered as Salieri to Reznor’s Mozart?
    Maybe you should spend less time whinning and more time on your music.
    Just a thought…

  • marodi

    Jealousy is a very ugly thing, mister! Are you sure you want to be remembered as Salieri to Reznor’s Mozart?
    Maybe you should spend less time whinning and more time on your music.
    Just a thought…

  • http://echoingthesound.org Dick Nigger

    Fuck you, NIN is better than your shitty ass music.

  • http://echoingthesound.org Dick Nigger

    Fuck you, NIN is better than your shitty ass music.

  • The Okie Dokie

    I am in the mist of the biggest failure of my life a failure of my own making. So I felt compelled to respond to you. Reznor isn’t your problem you are. I will admit I am a fan of NIN ( I just came aboard the kool aide train with with teeth). From the stories I have read about TR he worked hard to get his break. He was fortunate to be very young and know what he wanted to do with his life because that youthful desire along with his talent (you cannot deny the talent) carried him. He put himself into positions that supported his desire. You are worried about your bills, don’t. Find a solution and move on with your music. Do you have a band move in with them, they aren’t passionate about the band like you find a band that is passionate. Eat sleep the passion of the band. Save every last dime for the music and use technology to help you make your music (make it cheaper people don’t care how you make just as long as it sounds good). I mean 2 years for an album is to long.

    Every musician is made up of their influences. Even you. The trick is to make sure you come through. Although I don’t know all of the influences of NIN I definitely hear Trent reznor and who he is, wants to be, pretends to be and etc. A lot of people connect to that sentiment. As a consumer of music I have to say that if someone placed some of your tracks vs. NIN I would identify NIN as the indie band. Only in that your music sounds like most of the stuff on the radio now. But I do hear in your voice the potential to be unique

  • The Okie Dokie

    I am in the mist of the biggest failure of my life a failure of my own making. So I felt compelled to respond to you. Reznor isn’t your problem you are. I will admit I am a fan of NIN ( I just came aboard the kool aide train with with teeth). From the stories I have read about TR he worked hard to get his break. He was fortunate to be very young and know what he wanted to do with his life because that youthful desire along with his talent (you cannot deny the talent) carried him. He put himself into positions that supported his desire. You are worried about your bills, don’t. Find a solution and move on with your music. Do you have a band move in with them, they aren’t passionate about the band like you find a band that is passionate. Eat sleep the passion of the band. Save every last dime for the music and use technology to help you make your music (make it cheaper people don’t care how you make just as long as it sounds good). I mean 2 years for an album is to long.

    Every musician is made up of their influences. Even you. The trick is to make sure you come through. Although I don’t know all of the influences of NIN I definitely hear Trent reznor and who he is, wants to be, pretends to be and etc. A lot of people connect to that sentiment. As a consumer of music I have to say that if someone placed some of your tracks vs. NIN I would identify NIN as the indie band. Only in that your music sounds like most of the stuff on the radio now. But I do hear in your voice the potential to be unique

  • Okie Dokie Do

    I am in the mist of the biggest failure of my life a failure of my own making. So I felt compelled to respond to you. Reznor isn’t your problem you are. I will admit I am a fan of NIN ( I just came aboard the kool aide train with with teeth). From the stories I have read about TR he worked hard to get his break. He was fortunate to be very young and know what he wanted to do with his life because that youthful desire along with his talent (you cannot deny the talent) carried him. He put himself into positions that supported his desire. You are worried about your bills, don’t. Find a solution and move on with your music. Do you have a band move in with them, they aren’t passionate about the band like you find a band that is passionate. Eat sleep the passion of the band. Save every last dime for the music and use technology to help you make your music (make it cheaper people don’t care how you make just as long as it sounds good). I mean 2 years for an album is to long.

    Every musician is made up of their influences. Even you. The trick is to make sure you come through. Although I don’t know all of the influences of NIN I definitely hear Trent reznor and who he is, wants to be, pretends to be and etc. A lot of people connect to that sentiment. As a consumer of music I have to say that if someone placed some of your tracks vs. NIN I would identify NIN as the indie band. Only in that your music sounds like most of the stuff on the radio now. But I do hear in your voice the potential to be unique

  • Okie Dokie Do

    I am in the mist of the biggest failure of my life a failure of my own making. So I felt compelled to respond to you. Reznor isn’t your problem you are. I will admit I am a fan of NIN ( I just came aboard the kool aide train with with teeth). From the stories I have read about TR he worked hard to get his break. He was fortunate to be very young and know what he wanted to do with his life because that youthful desire along with his talent (you cannot deny the talent) carried him. He put himself into positions that supported his desire. You are worried about your bills, don’t. Find a solution and move on with your music. Do you have a band move in with them, they aren’t passionate about the band like you find a band that is passionate. Eat sleep the passion of the band. Save every last dime for the music and use technology to help you make your music (make it cheaper people don’t care how you make just as long as it sounds good). I mean 2 years for an album is to long.

    Every musician is made up of their influences. Even you. The trick is to make sure you come through. Although I don’t know all of the influences of NIN I definitely hear Trent reznor and who he is, wants to be, pretends to be and etc. A lot of people connect to that sentiment. As a consumer of music I have to say that if someone placed some of your tracks vs. NIN I would identify NIN as the indie band. Only in that your music sounds like most of the stuff on the radio now. But I do hear in your voice the potential to be unique

  • Okie Dokie Do

    sorry about the double post

  • Okie Dokie Do

    sorry about the double post

  • kinda like a cloud

    Man, it sounds like Nine Inch Nails fans need to get laid…y’all aren’t making your hero look good…

  • kinda like a cloud

    Man, it sounds like Nine Inch Nails fans need to get laid…y’all aren’t making your hero look good…