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		<title>By: Quick Hits - Jayhawks/Golden Smog, The Replacements, GNR, Ben Folds, hear new tracks from Oasis and more</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quick Hits - Jayhawks/Golden Smog, The Replacements, GNR, Ben Folds, hear new tracks from Oasis and more</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mojo @ Popdose wants to know what&#8217;s so great about vinyl? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judging by the sound quality of McCartney&#039;s recent album, I wouldn&#039;t trust any statements he made about ProTools. I think John Vanderslice&#039;s article Pro Tools Mix Plus 24: Work of The Devil? (&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinytelephone.com/html/tapeop.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinytelephone.com/html/tapeop.html&lt;/a&gt;) gives a balanced view from someone who works with tape and vinyl every day in his recording studio. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Michael Fremer is more biased -- definitely biased in favor of analog and vinyl -- but I have to say I have some sympathy for what he said about ProTools in his review of the latest Kathleen Edwards album:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;If this isnâ€™t a ProTools recording Iâ€™ll eat a reel of Ampex 456 (thatâ€™s a cop-out because no one in their right mind would allow one to be destroyed). It has all of the dark, congealed, airless ProTools sonic fingerprints. ProTools sucks. It is an abomination. It is the musical equivalent of the burnt beans Starbucks passes off as gourmet coffee. It is the music businessâ€™s poison pill. It repels people who donâ€™t even know they are being repelled. It is why people hardly listen to music anymore. They hear it but they donâ€™t really listen. ProTools is literally unlistenable.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judging by the sound quality of McCartney&#39;s recent album, I wouldn&#39;t trust any statements he made about ProTools. I think John Vanderslice&#39;s article Pro Tools Mix Plus 24: Work of The Devil? (<a href="http://tinytelephone.com/html/tapeop.html" rel="nofollow">http://tinytelephone.com/html/tapeop.html</a>) gives a balanced view from someone who works with tape and vinyl every day in his recording studio. </p>
<p>Michael Fremer is more biased &#8212; definitely biased in favor of analog and vinyl &#8212; but I have to say I have some sympathy for what he said about ProTools in his review of the latest Kathleen Edwards album:</p>
<p>&#8220;If this isnâ€™t a ProTools recording Iâ€™ll eat a reel of Ampex 456 (thatâ€™s a cop-out because no one in their right mind would allow one to be destroyed). It has all of the dark, congealed, airless ProTools sonic fingerprints. ProTools sucks. It is an abomination. It is the musical equivalent of the burnt beans Starbucks passes off as gourmet coffee. It is the music businessâ€™s poison pill. It repels people who donâ€™t even know they are being repelled. It is why people hardly listen to music anymore. They hear it but they donâ€™t really listen. ProTools is literally unlistenable.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judging by the sound quality of McCartney&#039;s recent album, I wouldn&#039;t trust any statements he made about ProTools. I think John Vanderslice&#039;s article Pro Tools Mix Plus 24: Work of The Devil? (&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinytelephone.com/html/tapeop.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinytelephone.com/html/tapeop.html&lt;/a&gt;) gives a balanced view from someone who works with tape and vinyl every day in his recording studio. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Michael Fremer is more biased -- definitely biased in favor of analog and vinyl -- but I have to say I have some sympathy for what he said about ProTools in his review of the latest Kathleen Edwards album:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;If this isnâ€™t a ProTools recording Iâ€™ll eat a reel of Ampex 456 (thatâ€™s a cop-out because no one in their right mind would allow one to be destroyed). It has all of the dark, congealed, airless ProTools sonic fingerprints. ProTools sucks. It is an abomination. It is the musical equivalent of the burnt beans Starbucks passes off as gourmet coffee. It is the music businessâ€™s poison pill. It repels people who donâ€™t even know they are being repelled. It is why people hardly listen to music anymore. They hear it but they donâ€™t really listen. ProTools is literally unlistenable.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judging by the sound quality of McCartney&#39;s recent album, I wouldn&#39;t trust any statements he made about ProTools. I think John Vanderslice&#39;s article Pro Tools Mix Plus 24: Work of The Devil? (<a href="http://tinytelephone.com/html/tapeop.html" rel="nofollow">http://tinytelephone.com/html/tapeop.html</a>) gives a balanced view from someone who works with tape and vinyl every day in his recording studio. </p>
<p>Michael Fremer is more biased &#8212; definitely biased in favor of analog and vinyl &#8212; but I have to say I have some sympathy for what he said about ProTools in his review of the latest Kathleen Edwards album:</p>
<p>&#8220;If this isnâ€™t a ProTools recording Iâ€™ll eat a reel of Ampex 456 (thatâ€™s a cop-out because no one in their right mind would allow one to be destroyed). It has all of the dark, congealed, airless ProTools sonic fingerprints. ProTools sucks. It is an abomination. It is the musical equivalent of the burnt beans Starbucks passes off as gourmet coffee. It is the music businessâ€™s poison pill. It repels people who donâ€™t even know they are being repelled. It is why people hardly listen to music anymore. They hear it but they donâ€™t really listen. ProTools is literally unlistenable.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: An Old Fashioned Walk (Part II) &#171; The Hits Just Keep On Comin&#8217;</title>
		<link>http://popdose.com/belated-vinyl-record-day-the-argument-against/comment-page-1/#comment-8859</link>
		<dc:creator>An Old Fashioned Walk (Part II) &#171; The Hits Just Keep On Comin&#8217;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Recommended Reading: Vinyl really is making a comeback, but don&#8217;t expect to find my Popdose colleague Mojo Flucke getting all excited about it. The title of his post today: &#8220;What&#8217;s So Great About Vinyl, Anyway?&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Recommended Reading: Vinyl really is making a comeback, but don&#8217;t expect to find my Popdose colleague Mojo Flucke getting all excited about it. The title of his post today: &#8220;What&#8217;s So Great About Vinyl, Anyway?&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rockrdude</title>
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		<dc:creator>rockrdude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some CDs sound better than vinyl. Some vinyl sounds better than CD. A lot depends on the mix, the quality of the vinyl, the audio system the music is being played through, yada yada.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I prefer both, but I admittedly have a fondness for vinyl. I admit the degradation of quality is a concern, but I&#039;d still take vinyl over a poorly mastered CD anyday.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And heck.. I&#039;d actually enjoy owning &quot;Dream After Dream&quot; on vinyl again. I&#039;d even play it and smile. :)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(But.. I also might compare it with the Japanese remastered CD to see which sounds better.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some CDs sound better than vinyl. Some vinyl sounds better than CD. A lot depends on the mix, the quality of the vinyl, the audio system the music is being played through, yada yada.</p>
<p>I prefer both, but I admittedly have a fondness for vinyl. I admit the degradation of quality is a concern, but I&#39;d still take vinyl over a poorly mastered CD anyday.</p>
<p>And heck.. I&#39;d actually enjoy owning &#8220;Dream After Dream&#8221; on vinyl again. I&#39;d even play it and smile. <img src='http://popdose.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(But.. I also might compare it with the Japanese remastered CD to see which sounds better.)</p>
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		<title>By: Thom / Atlanta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom / Atlanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I buy the new releases on vinyl and play them on an entry-level Project 1.2.&lt;br&gt;I also have a Bellari phono preamp (w/ headphone jack) so that I can play &lt;br&gt;the records thru any tape/cd/dvd/aux jack on my cheap Onkyo reciever.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you can&#039;t hear that a lot of new releases these days are mastered &lt;br&gt;one way for the vinyl and a different way for the cd, then you truly &lt;br&gt;do need more than pricey equipment.  If they hadn&#039;t started squashing dynamic range out of existence on  new release cds I might not have resorted to the change.  But they did, and I had to dodge the problem &lt;br&gt;or listen to nothing new.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(owner of 5500 lps and 400 cds)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I buy the new releases on vinyl and play them on an entry-level Project 1.2.<br />I also have a Bellari phono preamp (w/ headphone jack) so that I can play <br />the records thru any tape/cd/dvd/aux jack on my cheap Onkyo reciever.</p>
<p>If you can&#39;t hear that a lot of new releases these days are mastered <br />one way for the vinyl and a different way for the cd, then you truly <br />do need more than pricey equipment.  If they hadn&#39;t started squashing dynamic range out of existence on  new release cds I might not have resorted to the change.  But they did, and I had to dodge the problem <br />or listen to nothing new.</p>
<p>(owner of 5500 lps and 400 cds)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear hear!  I heartily agree, and I think I&#039;d file myself right alongside you in terms of &quot;audiophileness.&quot;  Vinyl is not worth the effort and worry for me.  I appreciate the masterings that made them so great, many of which wound up on early CDs, but I don&#039;t want to deal with the ritual.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for that Mudcrutch album, you&#039;d better give the audiophile CD that comes with the vinyl a listen.  It blows away the standard CD.  Like I mentioned above - same mastering as the vinyl.  It is lovely sounding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear hear!  I heartily agree, and I think I&#39;d file myself right alongside you in terms of &#8220;audiophileness.&#8221;  Vinyl is not worth the effort and worry for me.  I appreciate the masterings that made them so great, many of which wound up on early CDs, but I don&#39;t want to deal with the ritual.</p>
<p>As for that Mudcrutch album, you&#39;d better give the audiophile CD that comes with the vinyl a listen.  It blows away the standard CD.  Like I mentioned above &#8211; same mastering as the vinyl.  It is lovely sounding.</p>
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		<title>By: Vinyl Record Rundown 2008 &#171; The Hits Just Keep On Comin&#8217;</title>
		<link>http://popdose.com/belated-vinyl-record-day-the-argument-against/comment-page-1/#comment-8857</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinyl Record Rundown 2008 &#171; The Hits Just Keep On Comin&#8217;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8211;At Popdose, DJ D from Retro Remixes revisits the independent record store that changed everything, Dw. Dunphy reviews a cult favorite getting a high-end vinyl release, Ted Asregadoo puts together another Mix Six featuring some vinyl versions of movie songs from the 80s, and Jon Cummings reviews &#8220;5 Ways to Trash a Precious Platter.&#8221; And because there&#8217;s a contrarian in every crowd, Mojo Flucke asks &#8220;What&#8217;s So Great About Vinyl, Anyway?&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8211;At Popdose, DJ D from Retro Remixes revisits the independent record store that changed everything, Dw. Dunphy reviews a cult favorite getting a high-end vinyl release, Ted Asregadoo puts together another Mix Six featuring some vinyl versions of movie songs from the 80s, and Jon Cummings reviews &#8220;5 Ways to Trash a Precious Platter.&#8221; And because there&#8217;s a contrarian in every crowd, Mojo Flucke asks &#8220;What&#8217;s So Great About Vinyl, Anyway?&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree about the sample rate.  192 is cutting it close in terms of good audio quality, but 256 or 320 is pretty much my standard for mp3s.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Like I said, my USB turntable has a shitty needle, so the digital conversion is somewhat worse than vinyl copy.  If I play the same record on my old skool turntable (i.e., the Technics sl 1200), it sounds great - which is why I want to get a digital interface that works with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about the sample rate.  192 is cutting it close in terms of good audio quality, but 256 or 320 is pretty much my standard for mp3s.  </p>
<p>Like I said, my USB turntable has a shitty needle, so the digital conversion is somewhat worse than vinyl copy.  If I play the same record on my old skool turntable (i.e., the Technics sl 1200), it sounds great &#8211; which is why I want to get a digital interface that works with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was trying to find the actual quote, but Paul McCartney was commenting on &lt;i&gt;Let It Be...Naked&lt;/i&gt; saying that what the engineers did with ProTools came close to what they (the Beatles) were hearing when recording the music.  I&#039;m not talking about the playback, but what they were hearing in the headphones as they were laying down the tracks. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Matt Johnson (i.e., The The) said in the mid &#039;80s that CDs were like having really good copies of the master recordings.   CDs were certainly had a cleaner sound, but to me CDs basically made mediocre speakers sound better. Setting your EQ so CDs and vinyl would have a similar sound was pretty tough when doing a DJ gig.  I had some presets to punch in when going from one format to the other, but if I forgot to punch the preset when going to a CD, the crowd would cover their ears because it was so skewed toward the high end.  Once the EQ was adjusted, however, people calmed down and stopped asking for my head on a platter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was trying to find the actual quote, but Paul McCartney was commenting on <i>Let It Be&#8230;Naked</i> saying that what the engineers did with ProTools came close to what they (the Beatles) were hearing when recording the music.  I&#39;m not talking about the playback, but what they were hearing in the headphones as they were laying down the tracks. </p>
<p>Matt Johnson (i.e., The The) said in the mid &#39;80s that CDs were like having really good copies of the master recordings.   CDs were certainly had a cleaner sound, but to me CDs basically made mediocre speakers sound better. Setting your EQ so CDs and vinyl would have a similar sound was pretty tough when doing a DJ gig.  I had some presets to punch in when going from one format to the other, but if I forgot to punch the preset when going to a CD, the crowd would cover their ears because it was so skewed toward the high end.  Once the EQ was adjusted, however, people calmed down and stopped asking for my head on a platter.</p>
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