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		<title>By: JonCummings</title>
		<link>http://popdose.com/bottom-feeders-the-ass-end-of-the-80s-part-20/comment-page-1/#comment-39725</link>
		<dc:creator>JonCummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A technicality.  I gave Elvis your address.  He and Patrick Swayze (if he&#039;s healthy) will be over soon to open up a can of whoop-ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A technicality.  I gave Elvis your address.  He and Patrick Swayze (if he&#39;s healthy) will be over soon to open up a can of whoop-ass.</p>
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		<title>By: JonCummings</title>
		<link>http://popdose.com/bottom-feeders-the-ass-end-of-the-80s-part-20/comment-page-1/#comment-10525</link>
		<dc:creator>JonCummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A technicality.  I gave Elvis your address.  He and Patrick Swayze (if he&#039;s healthy) will be over soon to open up a can of whoop-ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A technicality.  I gave Elvis your address.  He and Patrick Swayze (if he&#39;s healthy) will be over soon to open up a can of whoop-ass.</p>
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		<title>By: steed</title>
		<link>http://popdose.com/bottom-feeders-the-ass-end-of-the-80s-part-20/comment-page-1/#comment-10524</link>
		<dc:creator>steed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, there&#039;s a period there. That&#039;s two different sentences. No need for Elvis to kick my ass.</description>
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		<title>By: JonCummings</title>
		<link>http://popdose.com/bottom-feeders-the-ass-end-of-the-80s-part-20/comment-page-1/#comment-10531</link>
		<dc:creator>JonCummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read that article--it&#039;s like an emotional roller coaster.  Now I know why I&#039;ve only heard &quot;Buffalo Stance&quot; on the radio once in 20 years...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read that article&#8211;it&#39;s like an emotional roller coaster.  Now I know why I&#39;ve only heard &#8220;Buffalo Stance&#8221; on the radio once in 20 years&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JonCummings</title>
		<link>http://popdose.com/bottom-feeders-the-ass-end-of-the-80s-part-20/comment-page-1/#comment-10523</link>
		<dc:creator>JonCummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, Dave is the original culprit behind the Jack Wagner reference, so my apologies for that. (Though your reference was a bit meaner than Dave&#039;s, as I can&#039;t imagine  Elvis ever saw himself as &quot;competing&quot; for chart positions with the Jack Wagners of the world.  I would guess (hope?) he saw &quot;Every Day I Write the Book&quot; and &quot;The Only Flame in Town&quot; as genre exercises, not blatant single attempts.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Responding to both your &quot;tradeoff&quot; comment and jerm&#039;s comment about the press regarding H&amp;O as &quot;goofy white guys doing &#039;black&#039; music&quot;:  I will certainly grant that H&amp;O were hardly considered &quot;cool&quot; by the music press, and I do think Hall always has carried something of a chip on his shoulder over not being hailed as a &quot;major rock artist&quot; so much as a &quot;pop craftsman.&quot;  But he wanted that recognition not only for &quot;Sacred Songs&quot; and his side projects but for his H&amp;O work as well.  I certainly don&#039;t think he believed himself to be writing songs for &quot;housewives and their kids&quot; (ouch!).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;All of that said, as I remember it there was a decent amount of rock-crit respect for H&amp;O&#039;s (Hall&#039;s especially) ability to make a record like &quot;I Can&#039;t Go for That&quot; or &quot;One on One&quot; that could climb high up the R&amp;B charts in a post-disco era when crossover in either direction was difficult.  And while there was less of a tendency back then (as compared to now) for critics to hail an artist/album/song&#039;s quality as &quot;pop,&quot; H&amp;O usually got a decent amount of credit in the press for their success in honing the sound they&#039;d been crafting since the &#039;70s into the hitmaking machine it became in the early &#039;80s.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, to the extent that Hall was disappointed by his press treatment, he really should have sucked it up and resumed counting his money.  Hopefully he&#039;s doing that now while waiting for the RnR Hall of Fame to call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#39;re right, Dave is the original culprit behind the Jack Wagner reference, so my apologies for that. (Though your reference was a bit meaner than Dave&#39;s, as I can&#39;t imagine  Elvis ever saw himself as &#8220;competing&#8221; for chart positions with the Jack Wagners of the world.  I would guess (hope?) he saw &#8220;Every Day I Write the Book&#8221; and &#8220;The Only Flame in Town&#8221; as genre exercises, not blatant single attempts.)</p>
<p>Responding to both your &#8220;tradeoff&#8221; comment and jerm&#39;s comment about the press regarding H&#038;O as &#8220;goofy white guys doing &#39;black&#39; music&#8221;:  I will certainly grant that H&#038;O were hardly considered &#8220;cool&#8221; by the music press, and I do think Hall always has carried something of a chip on his shoulder over not being hailed as a &#8220;major rock artist&#8221; so much as a &#8220;pop craftsman.&#8221;  But he wanted that recognition not only for &#8220;Sacred Songs&#8221; and his side projects but for his H&#038;O work as well.  I certainly don&#39;t think he believed himself to be writing songs for &#8220;housewives and their kids&#8221; (ouch!).</p>
<p>All of that said, as I remember it there was a decent amount of rock-crit respect for H&#038;O&#39;s (Hall&#39;s especially) ability to make a record like &#8220;I Can&#39;t Go for That&#8221; or &#8220;One on One&#8221; that could climb high up the R&#038;B charts in a post-disco era when crossover in either direction was difficult.  And while there was less of a tendency back then (as compared to now) for critics to hail an artist/album/song&#39;s quality as &#8220;pop,&#8221; H&#038;O usually got a decent amount of credit in the press for their success in honing the sound they&#39;d been crafting since the &#39;70s into the hitmaking machine it became in the early &#39;80s.</p>
<p>So, to the extent that Hall was disappointed by his press treatment, he really should have sucked it up and resumed counting his money.  Hopefully he&#39;s doing that now while waiting for the RnR Hall of Fame to call.</p>
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		<title>By: jerm</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 04:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daryl Hall also sang background on INXS&#039; &quot;Original Sin (Dream On)&quot; which pre-dated &quot;The Only Flame In Town&quot; by a few months. INXS and Elvis Costello were considered &quot;alternative&quot; back then. Artists only college radio and those rare &quot;modern rock&quot; stations (KROQ, for example) would touch. Apparently, Daryl&#039;s a huge Elvis C. fan. Not sure how the colloboration came about, though...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039; s not the first time Hall has been paired up with a member of the rock underground. His first solo album, SACRED SONGS, was produced by the ultra-avant garde, Robert Fripp. It&#039;s a great record and highly recommended.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;H&amp;O were never considered &quot;cool&quot; by snobby, rock press during their commerical heydey in the 80s. Nowadays, those same critics are realizing how truly great H&amp;O were. Me thinks they are just trying to be ironic, like the rock press tends to do.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I firmly believe that if H&amp;O were black they would be deemed musical geniuses. But since they were goofy white guys doing &quot;black&quot; music, they got written off. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And it&#039;s a shame because when it comes to extremely well-crafted pop/soul...no one comes close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daryl Hall also sang background on INXS&#39; &#8220;Original Sin (Dream On)&#8221; which pre-dated &#8220;The Only Flame In Town&#8221; by a few months. INXS and Elvis Costello were considered &#8220;alternative&#8221; back then. Artists only college radio and those rare &#8220;modern rock&#8221; stations (KROQ, for example) would touch. Apparently, Daryl&#39;s a huge Elvis C. fan. Not sure how the colloboration came about, though&#8230;</p>
<p>That&#39; s not the first time Hall has been paired up with a member of the rock underground. His first solo album, SACRED SONGS, was produced by the ultra-avant garde, Robert Fripp. It&#39;s a great record and highly recommended.</p>
<p>H&#038;O were never considered &#8220;cool&#8221; by snobby, rock press during their commerical heydey in the 80s. Nowadays, those same critics are realizing how truly great H&#038;O were. Me thinks they are just trying to be ironic, like the rock press tends to do.</p>
<p>I firmly believe that if H&#038;O were black they would be deemed musical geniuses. But since they were goofy white guys doing &#8220;black&#8221; music, they got written off. </p>
<p>And it&#39;s a shame because when it comes to extremely well-crafted pop/soul&#8230;no one comes close.</p>
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		<title>By: flaregun</title>
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		<dc:creator>flaregun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grabbed the third best song on your BF countdown, the Robt Cray tune â€œDonâ€™t Be Afraid of the Darkâ€, as I already had the Elvis and Julian Cope songs.  The rest are meh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grabbed the third best song on your BF countdown, the Robt Cray tune â€œDonâ€™t Be Afraid of the Darkâ€, as I already had the Elvis and Julian Cope songs.  The rest are meh.</p>
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		<title>By: scrumble</title>
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		<dc:creator>scrumble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, it wasn&#039;t me who mentioned Jack Wagner relative to EC. And, by 1986 it was the beginning of the post-MTV era where these kind of hit singles weren&#039;t pursued.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course Hall wanted to be seen as more credible and artistically inclined than he was at the time. He still does, although things have leveled off a bit with time. Such was the trade-off in appealing to housewives and their kids. &quot;The Only Flame&quot; is OK kitsch now but it was definitely savaged at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, it wasn&#39;t me who mentioned Jack Wagner relative to EC. And, by 1986 it was the beginning of the post-MTV era where these kind of hit singles weren&#39;t pursued.</p>
<p>Of course Hall wanted to be seen as more credible and artistically inclined than he was at the time. He still does, although things have leveled off a bit with time. Such was the trade-off in appealing to housewives and their kids. &#8220;The Only Flame&#8221; is OK kitsch now but it was definitely savaged at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You just pointed out why reviewers and hipsters of the day so often miss the boat on albums and songs that are great in hindsight.  Instead of listening to the music and letting the album or song speak for itself they try to decide the motivations of the performer or, even worse, listening to what the artist has to say about the recording before hearing it.  The only thing that matters is the music being worthwhile.  Everything else is secondary.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thus, to make excuses for reviewers being wrong about a song due to the prevailing wisdom of the day is fallacy.  When a reviewer listens with open ears they are be better (not always, but better) able to realize that the music is quality and will stand up.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To sum up, if Elvis Costello chooses to make a great album of modern pop as it will still be a great album of pop no matter how shocking or what his motivation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You just pointed out why reviewers and hipsters of the day so often miss the boat on albums and songs that are great in hindsight.  Instead of listening to the music and letting the album or song speak for itself they try to decide the motivations of the performer or, even worse, listening to what the artist has to say about the recording before hearing it.  The only thing that matters is the music being worthwhile.  Everything else is secondary.</p>
<p>Thus, to make excuses for reviewers being wrong about a song due to the prevailing wisdom of the day is fallacy.  When a reviewer listens with open ears they are be better (not always, but better) able to realize that the music is quality and will stand up.  </p>
<p>To sum up, if Elvis Costello chooses to make a great album of modern pop as it will still be a great album of pop no matter how shocking or what his motivation.</p>
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		<title>By: E</title>
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		<dc:creator>E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it worth noting that per Wikipedia, Harold Faltermeyer was a co-writer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it worth noting that per Wikipedia, Harold Faltermeyer was a co-writer?</p>
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