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CD/DVD Review: Billy Joel, “Live at Shea Stadium”

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I’ve had Live at Shea Stadium for a couple of weeks now, and I’ve spent them alternating between watching 30-minute chunks of the film and struggling with what to say about it. Not because I can’t decide whether it’s any good — Shea is pungently shitty, the nadir of a relatively distinguished career, and the type of release that justifies the awful music business tradition of referring to albums as “product” — but because Billy Joel’s music has been a huge part of the soundtrack of my life, and it’s hard to be at all objective about it.

In fact, if I’m being honest, I probably need to give Joel’s songs most of the credit for awakening me to the power and potential of rock music. It feels funny typing those words, given how self-consciously Joel often strained for rock ‘n’ roll, but if you’ve spent a lot of time with his catalog, I think you’ll understand why his pugnacious brand of jaded, self-centered pop might appeal to an eight-year-old suburban kid. I may not have understood the social commentary of “Allentown” and “Goodnight Saigon,” or have had the life experience to really appreciate the weary yearning of, say, “Until the Night,” but generally speaking, Billy Joel’s songs were mostly about a character named Billy Joel, and he could be kind of a dick. When it comes to pointing fingers and being selfish and vindictive, who knows more than a preteen?

This is a pretty reductive (and slightly unfair) summary of Joel’s work, but it’s the one he seems to favor. Look at the tracks chosen for his latest compilation, The Hits — it’s Billy in vinegar-soaked rocker mode, from the furious back-handed compliment of “Everybody Loves You Now” to tempura-light arena belters like “I Go to Extremes.” Except for a few odd reflective pauses (“New York State of Mind”), it takes a stylistically eclectic body of work and locks it into one angle and a single speed: Billy as the guy with one hand bashing the piano and the other raised to give the world the finger.

It was the perfect stance for the ’70s and ’80s, as Joel’s generation grew up against its will, barreling downhill in a snowball of addiction, neurosis, and blind self-indulgence. He started with sardonic humor and artificially inflated ennui, graduated to crushing stress and loneliness, settled uneasily into domesticity, and told some pretty good stories along the way; at their best, in three-minute increments, his songs reflected the turmoil of the Sexual Revolution and the Cold War (explicitly, albeit clumsily so, in “We Didn’t Start the Fire”).

The problem is that once he got past a certain point — and I’d put that point at the end of The Nylon Curtain — Billy Joel ceased to evolve. An Innocent Man, his most relaxed and radio-friendly album, was an unapologetic pastiche; like Paul Simon with Graceland later in the decade, it was a way of jiggering the creative floodgates by adopting a different musical pose. Joel’s last three pop albums had their moments, but it became increasingly apparent that songwriting — which never came all that easily to him in the first place — was getting harder for him. And meanwhile, his longtime band, which had always been a crucial component of his image and his sound, started to dissolve. At their worst, 1989′s Storm Front and 1993′s The River of Dreams present blandly competent musicians gathering behind rote, flavorless songwriting.

Which brings us to Live at Shea Stadium.

Joel’s two-night stand at Shea, held in 2008 to commemorate the stadium’s closing, seemed a little unusual to begin with; he’s always been more closely identified with the Yankees than Shea’s longtime occupants the Mets, after all. You could almost hear the organizers saying, “Well, at least he’s a big star from New York.” And fair enough — this had more to do with the stadium than baseball (as explored fully in the documentary Last Play at Shea, not part of this package), and it was really just about throwing a big party to say farewell to an era.

If only Joel had bothered to show up. I mean, okay, he’s there, behind the piano, in front of the band, and up on the giant video screens. But he delivers an epically half-assed performance — his keyboard work is indifferent, and his vocals are stunningly lazy. He’s either sliding around in the meter like a guy who just learned songs he doesn’t really care about, clipping his lines in weird spots, or just plain fucking around — as in “New York State of Mind,” where he adopts an insulting caricature of a lounge singer’s voice while trading lines with Tony Bennett, who should have kicked Joel’s ass, smoothed his tie, and strolled off the stage. And the notes? He sometimes hits them where it hurts. Listening to this version of “Lullabye (Goodnight, My Angel)” is as close as any of us will ever get to going clam-digging with Billy Joel.

The band doesn’t hurt anything, but it certainly doesn’t help matters either. The classic Billy Joel lineup was — or at least very much seemed like — a band of brothers. They may not have been the world’s best players, but they had a distinctive sound, and they offered a link to Joel’s middle-class past. I can’t comment on whether he had valid reasons for dismissing them; I simply don’t know. But what I can tell you is that the band he’s fronting now demonstrates no palpable connection to the material. They’re technically skilled — particularly utility infielders Mark Rivera and Crystal Taliefero, who have been playing with Joel for roughly 30 and 20 years, respectively — but they don’t throw any sparks.

But it’s Joel who sets the tone, and Joel who shoulders the blame. Watch him during Live at Shea Stadium – from the moment the show begins, he looks exhausted; dead behind the eyes, bored with the material. The only times he comes alive are when something non-musical happens — like when he quips “get a pre-nup!” to an audience member who proposes to his girlfriend — or when one of his many special guests comes out. At those moments, Joel is as close to being just another guy in the band as he’ll ever be, and it adds a little life to the songs that, no matter how fleetingly, reminds you of the dynamic live performer he used to be.

Joel was almost 60 when these performances were recorded, and the years have been unkind; it would be unfair to expect him to run around the stage like a maniac anymore. But it isn’t unfair to expect him to deliver performances that suggest he cares at all about the material. I guarantee you there’s someone in a karaoke bar, right this minute, singing Billy Joel songs more passionately than Joel does on Live at Shea Stadium.

But then again, what do you expect from a release like this? Live at Shea is Joel’s third live album in 10 years, and he hasn’t released a (non-classical) set of new material in almost twice as long. It was recorded at a pair of giant stadium shows — you know, the kind where the people on stage are tiny specks to the folks in the cheap seats, and where a roving camera can’t help catching a guy near the front row checking his phone. It’s an Event, not a communion between the artist and his audience, and this set is just a souvenir. I suspect that, for the most part, those people got what they came for (although if anyone really wanted to hear John Mayer playing guitar on “This Is the Time,” they should be punched). They got together to blow off a little steam, drink some overpriced beer, and sing along to songs they know by heart. Simple pleasures, and there’s something to be said for them, even during an exercise as empty as this. When the camera pans out and you hear a stadium full of people singing “Piano Man,” it’s hard to argue with whatever brought them together.

But it’s also hard not to resent the crass, barrel-scraping mindset behind turning the damn thing into a piece of product. And it’s impossible not to look at Joel while the whole sad mess is unfolding and wonder, “Man, what are you doing here?”

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Jeff Giles is the founder and editor-in-chief of Popdose and Dadnabbit, as well as an entertainment writer whose work can be seen at Rotten Tomatoes and a number of other sites. Hey, why not follow him at Twitter while you're at it?

  • Ken

    I agree about the band. Whatever the falling out he had with Liberty Devito his long time drummer has affected the bands sound. Chuck Burgi who played in Broadways Movin’ Out is an excellent drummer but when playing live with Billy he sounds like he’s reading a script. Liberty’s high energy seat of the pants drumming helped give the band it’s sound. Now it just sounds like a santitized boring cover band. Sad.

  • Ken

    I agree about the band. Whatever the falling out he had with Liberty Devito his long time drummer has affected the bands sound. Chuck Burgi who played in Broadways Movin’ Out is an excellent drummer but when playing live with Billy he sounds like he’s reading a script. Liberty’s high energy seat of the pants drumming helped give the band it’s sound. Now it just sounds like a santitized boring cover band. Sad.

  • Matt

    I’m still forming my complete opinion on this release (as I haven’t watched the DVD yet) but musically, I’m mostly okay with this release although there’s no reason for it to exist. Mostly. The one-two-three of “Summer, Highland Falls,” “Everybody Loves You Now” and “Zanzibar” is pretty great in theory but for so much of this release, I find myself coming back to the simple fact that it’s been done before and done better. There’s no question that the passage of time has stripped the passion from the performance of “Summer, Highland Falls” that made it great on the 2000 Years live album (and even that’s up for debate, since so many folks say that the entire 2000 Years album was re-recorded in the studio with songs that weren’t even in the setlist on the night).

    I like Billy and I think that things could be a lot worse – ala Roger Daltrey croaking his way through the Who catalog. There’s certainly no reason for Billy to do this stuff at this point if he doesn’t want to, which with the lack of new material, it’s apparent that he doesn’t want to.

    Fan to fan, I think your opinions on this release are a little bit harsh at points, but I respect them. The one thing (among many other things that you covered here that I agree with) that is true without a doubt is that this release is pointless. We could have called it done with 2000 Years. There was no need for two additional live releases (and I’m sure there will be more).

    At this point, I’d settle for a really good live album from the ’70s – full show. Unofficially, you can get this in several ways with my favorite being the C.W. Post show where he introduces a brand new “Scenes from an Italian Restaurant.”

    On a side note, it’s a real cash grab that they didn’t include Last Play at Shea in this package.

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    I’m not looking at the release info as I write this, but I think “Last Play” belongs to someone other than Sony, so it could just be a question of rights. And all things being equal, I prefer “12 Gardens” to “2000 Years,” which is a live album in name only.

  • http://www.kenshane.com kshane

    Billy may not have given a bravura performance, but you did. Great job and thanks once again for watching something so that we don’t have to. The thing about Billy is/was that throughout his career, even on those later albums, you could always finds one or two gems. That made it impossible to dismiss him. Between this product, and Elton John’s recent statements, now maybe we can.

  • Matt

    One more thing that I meant to put in the previous comment relates to the bonus performances from Steven Tyler, Roger Daltrey and John Mellencamp. Those had real potential to be interesting if they would have been collaborative performances. Instead, Billy is off stage or barely there, which I guess summarizes the problem that you and I both have with different parts of this release. Billy is “barely there” and I’d much rather see a live album recorded at a later point when/if he gets the mojo back instead of continuing documentation of his decline.

  • http://www.grayflannelsuit.net/ Chris Holmes

    Jeff Giles can’t say no.

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    I can’t argue your point about me being harsh, and that’s what sent me back and forth on writing this column at all. If these songs hadn’t meant so much to me when I was younger, and if I hadn’t spent my childhood imagining Billy Joel as a paragon of musical integrity or something, then I wouldn’t react so violently to releases like this. And is it fair to Billy Joel to hold something like “Live at Shea Stadium” up against my memories? No. But I can’t help it, just like he can’t help acting like an asshole during “New York State of Mind.”

  • Matt

    As you know, I feel the same. I held Joel’s music in similar esteem at the same points as a kid and it really sucks to watch your favorites and legends burn out like this. He’s at the top of the list of people though who have announced they’re hanging it up in regards to new material. Even Garth Brooks seems to have done kind of the same thing by taking that route, but then going away. With constant touring in spite of no new material, Billy hasn’t ever really given anyone the opportunity to miss Billy Joel. And it’s taken a toll on him personally as these releases are showing.

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    Watch his eyes when you finally see the DVD. He looks defeated. During “Everybody Loves You Now,” I wondered if he was singing to himself.

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    Watch his eyes when you finally see the DVD. He looks defeated. During “Everybody Loves You Now,” I wondered if he was singing to himself.

  • http://www.jasonhare.com Anonymous

    “12 Gardens,” despite the numerous jarring key changes, was a good live album, and that should have been the last one. It contains plenty of hits and rarities as well.

    Matt, as to your point about Roger Daltrey and the Who, I’ll agree that they should be getting ready to hang it up as well — but the difference is that, despite whether Roger can hit the notes anymore (and he never changes the keys) — he still puts conviction into each and every performance. I think if Billy believed in what he was doing, it’d be something of a different story.

  • http://twitter.com/tcote Thierry

    You know, at this point I feel like Joel has tried to go away and come back to his old material with fresh ears (by doing the classical stuff, the “lectures”, etc.) but he just seems to be unable to even feign interest – unlike, say, Paul McCartney, who’s been playing more or less the same show for the last 10+ years and never fails to at least appear enthusiastic about being on stage. Perhaps part of the problem is that for such a huge, commercial artist he has a fairly small catalog of songs to play (12 albums, all 10 songs or less, with a decent ratio of filler), and has few “rarities” that he can throw into his 2-2.5-hour setlist to at least keep himself interested, but still…

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    Great point about his catalog, Thierry — there isn’t, and there can’t be, much of a difference between these latter-day live releases. There’s nothing left to cover.

  • http://www.wingsforwheels.net dslifton

    The only point I’ll take with the review is the idea of him being more associated with the Yankees than the Mets. The Billy Joel persona you describe – the blue-collar guy from Long Island with the chip on his shoulder – is much more likely to be a Mets fan. There may be Yankees references throughout his mid-70s works (“Miami 2017,” “Zanzibar,” and someone wearing a Yankees jersey on the back cover of The Stranger), but that was also at a time when nobody gave a shit about the Mets.

    I haven’t seen “Last Play At Shea,” but I’m guessing he mentions that at some point.

    And I think he also sang the national anthem at one of the 1986 World Series games at Shea.

  • http://www.theseconddisc.com Mike Duquette

    Man, I’m all kinds of conflicted about this set. I haven’t gotten to the DVD either, but there is something too “victory lap” or “historical document” about this. I was at the 12th Garden show in 2006, and maybe it was because he played so many deep cuts I liked (“Sleeping with the Television On”!), but he seemed hungry (well, as hungry as you can be when you’re a late-’50s zillionaire). This sounds more like one of the bootlegs I have from 2002, when he was obviously, painfully plastered.

    I was hoping the forthcoming reissues didn’t over-rely on vintage live concerts, but I’ll gladly take them, now.

  • http://www.theseconddisc.com Mike Duquette

    There’s footage of him singing at said game in ’86 in “Last Play at Shea.” There’s not much of an explicit connection made between Billy and the Mets in the documentary, but the goal was to underline the implicit parallels between the two. (More of the working-class underdog angle whose successes you wanted to celebrate if you were a fan – not so much the chip-on-shoulder aspects.)

  • http://www.somethingelsereviews.com/ Pico

    I had BJ on my mind today, too (actually, bj’s are always on mind mind, but I digress). One of his better moments: http://www.somethingelsereviews.com/2011/03/one-track-mind-billy-joel-preludeangry.html

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    I loved that post, Pico. Thanks.

  • http://www.somethingelsereviews.com/ Pico

    You did a fine job yourself, Jeff. Your observations are spot on, as usual.

  • Anonymous

    “I guarantee you there’s someone in a karaoke bar, right this minute, singing Billy Joel songs more passionately than Joel does on Live at Shea Stadium.”

    My friend Ed knocked “A Matter of Trust” out of the park (analogy intended) at karaoke the other night, per my request. I was going to give “You May Be Right” a try before it got too late. As many times as I’ve heard good and bad (but never indifferent) amateur takes on “Piano Man” and “Scenes From an Italian Restaurant” over the years, I gotta agree: the karaoke stage is the best live testament to the Joel legacy today.

  • http://twitter.com/wmagnum1 Tom Ricciardi

    I may disagree at parts with your assessment of Joel’s career to this point, but the review of this set in particular is mostly correct. As an uber-fan, I understand your dickish/harsh, but understandable, tone. As fans, we’ve got nothing pop-oriented since 1993′s “River of Dreams” except for two songs that never intended to see the light of day (“All My Life” and “Christmas in Fallujah”). Since then, Sony/Columbia has been owed one or two more original albums, so here comes the greatest hits repackaging and live album parade as a way to keep making money off the guy. Joel has had little to do with those releases aside from being forced to promote them.

    “Shea” is a souvenir and a Sony money grab. That’s pretty much it. Then again, with the possible exception of the essential “Songs in the Attic”, all the live releases were money grabs. “12 Gardens Live” is the only other live release worth having if you’re a casual fan (and you’re right, “2000 Years” was about 15% genuine). By the way, get ready for a slew of “Legacy” editions of his catalog. “Piano Man” should be out later this year, but at least it will have early live performances packed in with the set.

    I think the anger comes from disappointment: No material in almost 20 years, not much variation in the live shows, alcohol problems. Springsteen and McCartney, who got inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1999 with Joel, have been kicking his butt in the meantime. You look at those two with envy and think, “Why can’t Billy be like them?” I wish I knew. There’s potential in there and it’s just not happening for whatever reason. However, fans are delusional to think he can tap into the 1970s ass-kicking version of Joel and bring that to a show. That guy isn’t coming back. I do disagree that his evolution stopped in 1982 after “The Nylon Curtain”. That was his masterpiece. Everything pales in comparison. That was also the last time the original Billy Joel Band was together.

    Maybe Billy can’t suppress his Sad Clown feeling as well as he used to. At this point in his life in mid-’08, he was a year away from separation from his wife (at least when it was made public), a daughter struggling in the music industry, no signs of any original musical output, and physical deterioration (he finally got double-hip replacement surgery two years later. And maybe, just maybe, he’s struggling with the fact that the flaws he struggled with his whole life were things his could never resolve. Singing about them night after night would eventually take their toll.

    Still, I’d run over your grandmother to spend five minutes with the man.

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    Thanks for commenting, Tom.

  • http://thesixonefournine.com/ judd6149

    I’ve never been as big a Billy Joel fan as most of the commenters here – I had The Stranger on vinyl back in the late 80s and wore that out. After that, Billy went off the boil for me. I liked a couple songs (“Extremes” and the video I liked a lot). I did see he and EJ in Boston in 2000. Billy was sick (so they said) and was vey Vegas-y. I agree with Ken on Liberty Devito – he was damn good at that show.

    Jeff – I love a good opinion. That shit was solid.

  • http://www.popdose.com DwDunphy

    Having been there on the first of the two nights, the show really did get by on the event atmosphere. It was a lot like going to Rockefeller Plaza for the Christmas tree lighting. You tell people you did it, and they all ask you what it was like, but in many ways it’s just another tree getting plugged in. The TV replay later that evening confirms it.

    So, in a sense, this package does the same thing. Having been divorced from the energy of the moment and that slightly deluded sense of “taking part in a moment of history,” you’re left with the actual performances of the evening, and what you find is that the distance from the seat to the Jumbotron to the stage imbued the moment with something you lose being right there, in high definition.

    I’m still P.O.’ed that we missed Paul McCartney on night two.

  • Gary Dunaier

    There’s another aspect to this “Last Play” that should not go unforgotten.

    The “Last Play” was initially announced as a single concert – July 16, 2008. I’m sure ticket sales were influenced to some degree not so much because of Billy Joel but because it would be the last concert at Shea – and the show sold out. Then a second date was announced – July 18, two days after the originally announced “last play.” So everyone who had already bought tickets for July 16 under the impression they were going to be attending the very last concert ever performed at Shea Stadium were suddenly s*** out of luck… pretty ironic considering Billy Joel ends his concerts telling his fans “don’t take no s*** from nobody.”

    Here’s a link to a publicity photo showing Billy Joel at Shea with the scoreboard in the background, at the time the concerts were announced back in February of ’08… it may be tough to see in this image, but the scoreboard clearly shows just one date, July 16…

    http://blog.nj.com/ledgerupdates_impact/2008/02/large_SHEAJOEL.jpg

    …and newspaper articles publicizing the “Last Play” reported that there would be one show.

    I did not attempt to get tickets for either show, so I’m not saying this with a “sour grapes” point of view. I just think it’s dirty pool to advertise a concert as the last performance ever at a particular venue, and when that show sells out, to add a second show after the so-called “last play.”

    Fake Last Play Fail.

    Fake Billy Joel Fail.

    Billy Joel FEH.

    (To those who say the July 16 and July 18 dates were the only ones available, I say that if that was the case, they should have sold tickets for July 18 date FIRST and then, if (when) that show sold out, THEN they should have announced the July 16 date.)

  • Sknavis

    While I had a feeling this album was going to be a shadow of the performances Billy used to give, you’re dead wrong on at least one thing, Jeff.

    The River of Dreams album is a GREAT f*cking album. In fact, along with The Nylon Curtain and Songs In the Attic, it’s the Billy album I listen to the most (and I still listen to all of them quite a lot). It was great album for Billy to go out on, and not only because it debuted at #1. In many ways, the album is the summation of the guy’s career. Track for track, it touches on different styles of music, many of which Billy explored on earlier albums. It’s also something of a loose “concept” album, starting with a restless anger and alienation over modern society on side 1, working through the anger thanks to love and family on side 2.

    I think you’re right, Jeff, when you say that songwriting didn’t come as easy to Billy in the later years. That’s why he probably wasn’t recording as much (not to mention he was going on mega-tours for two years at a time), but River of Dreams offers some of the sharpest, most revealing, and flat-out *best* songwriting of his career. The title song, deservedly, gets most of the attention, but don’t overlook the almost grunge rocker “No Man’s Land,” the Beatlesque swirl of “The Great Wall of China,” the heavy blues-rock of “Shades of Grey,” or the sheer beauty of “Lullabye” (a companion to the album’s title song), and “Two Thousand Years.”

    Then again, I thought you unfairly maligned An Innocent Man too… It’s probably the most fun album in Joel’s catalogue, and there’s not a bummer in that bunch either. The R&B/soul/doo-wop sounds on that album are clearly close to his heart. Dismissing the later work also means dismissing gems like “Baby Grand,” “Big Man On Mulberry Street, and “The Downeaster Alexa.” Songs that are good as anything on Billy’s earlier albums.

  • Sknavis

    Matt… The 2000 Years release has problems, but it’s not a case of songs on the release that weren’t played that night. No… The problem (aside from far too many great performances from that show getting cut from the CD release) is that many of the released songs were overdubbed heavily in the studio.

    Why this happened is hard to explain. I have a really good bootleg (good sound for an audience recording) of the show. The overdubs weren’t needed, but they definitely happened. For me, having heard the entire show, it makes the 2000 Years release almost unlistenable. It was great show, so why did they mess with it?

    Anyhow, the later 12 Gardens release mostly made up for 2000 Years. That’s actually a pretty solid live album, in part because on that tour Billy embraced the “deep cuts” of deep catalogue… He still played hits, but for the first time in a long time, he started playing more obscurities again. I think he rediscovered his own music on that tour, and he sounds more invested on that album. It’s not quite “Songs in the Attic 2″ (something I’d always wished he would’ve done), but it’s about as close as we’ll ever get.

    I agree with you about releasing vintage live concerts though… I’d buy them for sure! Billy was one of the great live performers once upon a time — every bit as good as Springsteen in my opinion — so it’s a shame that Sony hasn’t opened the vaults yet and officially released gems like the C.W. Post show, or the Bottom Line show from ’76. Not to mention the Live From Long Island show from 1982 (I’d love to have that on DVD) or the London ’84 show that was televised live by the BBC. I’d buy them all!

  • Sknavis

    Those later albums, especially River of Dreams, have more than “one or two gems,” but you are right that he could never be dismissed. Even now, I feel like the guy could have a great, late-career comeback in him (ala Dylan, Simon, McCartney or Cash) if he WANTS it. Sadly, I don’t think he really does. That’s a shame.

    All the way up through River of Dreams I held Billy up as a guy who always moved forward, even if some fans didn’t like the changes or couldn’t understand them, and never merely rested on his laurels. Now, he’s definitely resting. Maybe you can afford to that when you have two decades of incredible classic songs to carry you, but he can’t fake his disinterest. Disinterest in finding his muse again and creating new music. Not just coasting on nostalgia.

  • Sknavis

    Not that much filler… Very little, actually, for a guy with a two-decade body of work. I’ll argue the point unti I’m blue in the face, but Joel’s long line of hits has obscured just how good the rest of his catalogue his. If anything, the hits do him a disservice. I’m in the minority I’m sure, but I’d rather heat a concert of him playing “Ain’t No Crime,” “Root Beer Rag,” “Summer, Highland Falls,” “Zanzibar,” “Until The Night,” “Laura,” “This Night,” “Big Man On Mulberry Street,” “No Man’s Land” and “The Great Wall Of China” than I would the same old hits, over and over.

    So there’s just a few obscurities for you… Probably not many true “rarities,” no, but if he wanted to play “The House of Blue Light” (originally the B-side to “We Didn’t Start the Fire”) I sure as hell wouldn’t complain! Billy never played enough organ on his records anyhow, but there’s a great organ-driven rocker. The version on the “My Lives” box is an alternate version that (inexplicably) replaces Billy’s organ with a harmonica.

    I’d also love to hear him play his cover of Leonard Cohen’s “Light as the Breeze” live. He nailed that one… Cohen himself calls it one of the best covers of his songs that he’s ever heard.

  • http://www.wingsforwheels.net dslifton

    Sknavis, you might like this post that we did last summer:

    http://popdose.com/popdoses-greatest-bits-billy-joel/

  • Sknavis

    You’re still whining about this? This the same post you put up at The Second Disc months ago. You’ve had a few years to get over this one… Why the axe to grind with Billy Joel?

    How much of the second date added was Billy himself, or how much of that was the Mets or the promoter, I don’t know. But some of your points are just silly. You say ticket sales were driven more by it being the last concert at Shea than by Billy? Doubtful. Billy’s the hometown hero. He also sold out two nights at Yankee Stadium back in 1990, and just a couple of years before the Shea concerts he sold out a 12 night run at MSG. He’s also the all-time concert attendance king at MSG. So, yeah, Billy’s got a few fans in NY.

    If I’d gotten tickets for the first show and then they added a second would I be miffed? Maybe. But then again, I’d also realize that things like that happen ALL THE TIME. Maybe the plan was for just one show, but the show sells out quickly and the promoter wants another show. As someone who’s been to a lot of concerts, I know that can happen. I’d bet a fair number of fans went to both shows anyhow, if they could afford it.

    Honestly, given how Billy played pretty much the same hits both nights, what’s the big deal? So you saw the last concert in a lousy old stadium that was past its prime, or you saw the second to last. Whoopee. There was still baseball to be played, no matter how lousy. I would say going to the first night and missing McCartney on the second night is the only thing I’d be disappointed about.

  • Sknavis

    Thanks! I did like that article… Some really good stuff, and mostly excellent write ups.

    I made my feelings known over there too. :-)

  • Sknavis

    That “someone” was producer Phil Ramone… Hard to believe, because in every other picture I’ve seen of the guy he looks nothing like that. In fact, in pictures and videos from years later he actually looks younger that. Lost weight, grew facial hair.

  • Sknavis

    Mike… Just curious. Why wouldn’t you want to see Sony get some vintage concerts out there? Why settle for lame new releases (like “Shea”), or the often iffy sound quality and flaws of bootlegs when there’s great stuff just sitting in a vault somewhere, that could, and should, be released in pristine quality?

    The upcoming reissues really wouldn’t have much else to offer otherwise. Billy never just churned out songs like Springsteen always does (then again, while I think plenty of Bruce’s outtakes are good, just as many aren’t). There were omissions from the “My Lives” box, but probably not enough to make the reissues worthwhile.

    Plenty of great live shows though, from all eras of Billy’s career. I figure the window of opportunity for stuff like vintage concerts from the classic rockers is maybe another 20 years or so. After that, the boomers will have mostly died off and post-boomers like myself will be nearing retirement age. NOW is the time to get that stuff out to the fans.

  • http://www.wingsforwheels.net dslifton

    Thanks.I thought it was Ramone, but I didn’t have access to the album cover at the time I wrote that.

  • Snipnsnap

    Love Billy Joel. Think he was the first artist I started connecting with songs I liked. Saw a concert of his on HBO as a kid (around 1980) and was transfixed by the Prelude to Angry Young Man. Got all his stuff on cassette, then updated most to cd. Saw the Storm Front tour, on my 21st birthday, and the River of Dreams tour. Knew I’d hear hits, but really wanted to hear that Prelude. Second time was the charm. He wasn’t as wild on stage as that HBO show all those years before, but still great. Tried to see him with Elton John, but feared I’d feel cheated out of half of each of their shows, I’d say his best album is probably Curtain. Though my favorite is Glass Houses and The Stranger is right up there. And I think it’s true that An Innocent Man would be his most fun. Remember listening to Famous Last Words for the first time fearing it was more than an album closer. Wish he could collect himself for a proper encore.

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    Fingers crossed that this latest round of reissues includes a Blu-ray release for “Live from Long Island.”

  • The Dilemma

    Great piece, Jeff. As someone who grew up almost exclusively on Billy Joel music until the age of 13 or so, I can feel your disappointment in this release. I wrote about my disappointment, and the mystery of what’s happened to Billy these last 20 years, here: http://bit.ly/hGafMY

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    Thanks for commenting — and thanks for the link! I just read your piece, and agree wholeheartedly.

  • Germanamerican1

    I am watching this crap show on PBS right now and about to relieve myself of any further agony. The above review hits it spot on. One thing I did notice was when looking at the audience the young ones went crazy. Those like myself who were adults when Joel first appeared can be seen with a common look on their faces.
    “Billy….. WTF?”

  • http://www.wingsforwheels.net dslifton

    I was just looking back over this and realized that, usually when a review this negative comes out, we get the usual assortment of diehards attacking the reviewer. But here, the diehards are agreeing with Jeff. That’s pretty damning evidence against Billy.

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    Yeah, I noticed the same thing. It’s very sad.

  • Nattyhead01

    I recently watched the Last Play at Shea dvd and I am shocked at the number of negative reviews. I respect the comments good and bad, and maybe the things that affected his personal life had a profound effect on his musical creativity and the passion for playing music. (or lack thereof ) Only he has the answer and will we ever know?                               

  • Terry Moran

    You’re dissing Billy Joel for this release?
    ‘The Last Play at Shea’ wasn’t released by Billy Joel. It was released by Sony Music.
    Billy Joel hasn’t released anything since ‘Fantasies &Delusions’ in 2001.
    He never authorized anything to be marketed after that album
    He despises the ‘live albums’ and compilations that Columbia Records continue to put out. But he can’t prevent them from doing it.
    You obviously know nothing about the music business.
    Grow up.