Cutouts Gone Wild: Oran “Juice” Jones, “To Be Immortal”

Jeff Giles February 21, 2008 27

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Oran “Juice” Jones – To Be Immortal (1989)
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For the first time since starting this series, I’m not sure if “cutout” is sufficient to describe the level of commercial failure achieved by the title we’re discussing. Honest show of hands: how many of you have never heard of Oran “Juice” Jones? How many of you think I might actually be making him up?

I thought so.

Well, here’s the good news: Oran “Juice” Jones is real, and he actually had a hit. It was released in 1986, it was called “The Rain,” and here’s the video:

What, you don’t remember it? Ah, me neither. Whatever. The charts don’t lie. Anyway, ol’ Oran kept going after “The Rain” touched down in ’86, even if the record-buying public showed a complete unwillingness to follow. Since there was apparently a shortage of high-voiced R&B singers in the late ’80s, Def Jam (actually, the Def Jam subsidiary OBR, but eh, close enough for Popdose) stood by the “Juice” for two more albums. The ironically titled To Be Immortal is the second.

On the one hand, I love this album, because it came out in 1989, the same year that LL Cool J’s Walking with a Panther was taken seriously. Listen to your average CHR station today, then consider that, in ’89, there were suburban white people who thought guys like Oran “Juice” Jones were kind of dangerous and/or threatening.

(They weren’t.)

So that’s the one hand. The other hand is that To Be Immortal is what you’d call a “severely indistinguished” album. Jones is a fine singer, but as a lyricist he’s…a fine singer. And the songs don’t have many hooks. It’s nice to hear live drums and horns, but these aren’t terribly memorable, with a few exceptions. The first is the end-of-song rant on “Money, Honey” (download), which I’m totally not transcribing here, but is hilarious in an ’80s ghetto sitcom way.

The second is a song called “Shaniqua” (download), which contains the following passage:

“I thought she was mine / But I was wrong / Gave her all my money / Both my cars / And the lease to my home / And then she threw me out / Now I’m standing on the corner / Nose big as a bus / Fussin’ ’bout Shaniqua”

The third is a song called “Time” (download), which includes this sparkling gem:

“When I say I’m coming home at nine / You better be ready at eight / You oughta be cookin’ and / You’re half-ass done / And you know I hate to wait”

Love it.

That’s all.

To Be Immortal, as you no doubt figured out many lines ago, was not purchased by the majority of the record-buying public, and “Juice” laid low for the majority of the ensuing decade, only popping up in the late ’90s, as a Tommy Boy artist, for the UK-only Player’s Call. Since then, he’s apparently worked as a background vocalist for Chris Rock, which I would assume is sort of like being Dane Cook’s flute player, but hey, what do I know. (The answer to that question, incidentally, is “not much of anything about Oran ‘Juice’ Jones.”)

  • http://musichelpweb.blogspot.com Mike

    Come on, you don't remember “The Rain”? That song was HUGE when I was in 6th grade! That monologue at the end of the song is priceless.

    (BTW, someone linked me to your site about two weeks ago and I should probably let you know that I am now madly in love with the lot of you)

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    I was in sixth grade that year, too — but I don't remember a single note of this song. It must have something to do with all the a-ha and Billy Joel I was stuffing my head with. Will had the same reaction you did, though — in fact, watching the clip, he was able to sing along with the chorus.

    And thanks for the love. We love you too!

  • WHarrisBullzEye

    Error on “Money, Honey,” sir. Why must you tease me so?

  • WHarrisBullzEye

    I'm totally singing it RIGHT NOW!

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    Only on the stream. Based on the fact that this happened with the EWF tracks, I'm convinced the streaming player freaks out when the filenames have commas in them. I'll test it out…

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    Yep, it was the comma. All fixed now. Stupid player…

  • http://myspace.com/chalantmusic Chalant

    Wow. Oran Juice… “Shaniquaaa.. got me whooped. Spank me with your loove..” hilarious. Definitely got some Rick James influence.

  • http://www.bastardradio.com bastard_number_1

    You don't know this? Man, after I read that – my first impluse was to run up on ya and do a rambo…but I didn't want to mess up this $3700 lynx coat.

    What you trying to prove Jeff? You need to get out of here with the crumb cake I saw you with.

    Oh, I just love it man. Really. This is one of my favorite tracks of the 80's. The whole spoken thing at the end that I pulled half this post from is one of the best moments in 80's music. It's really a shame that Juice wasn't a huge success!

  • jack

    It was huge in my middle school too:

    “I saw you… and HIM!… walking in the rain…”

    “You're just a squirrel in my world… trying to get a nut!”

  • David_E

    A stone cold classic. I was sixteen when this hit, and whiter than Doogie Howser. But even I knew that “Whip out the jammy and flat blast both of you” was comedy GOLD.

  • http://www.popdose.com DwDunphy

    “The Rain” was a big hit so it is amazing how quickly Jones' descent occurred, even if his lyrics are Ed Wood Worthy. I'm figuring there's some MTV footage out there of Jones promoting “The Rain” saying, “Awww yeeeaaah, I'm on top now baby, and I ain't never never never comin' down!”

    Kiss… Of… Death.

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    It IS amazing. We'll be tackling a similarly quick fall from R&B grace a few weeks from now. (That's what they call foreshadowing, kids.)

  • MC_Snocap

    “It's my world – you're just a SQUIRREL trying to get a NUT!!” Great to hear this again, thank you.

    I never got to hear the response song from the cold-busted's point of view. Allegedly it had a cameo from the Other Man in the chorus – her “You saw me … walking in the raiiin” got interrupted with a deep bass “And ME! … and me …” The singer describes that The Juice's control freak paranoia drove her to another man. Take heed, Juice wannabes.

  • http://www.bullz-eye.com DavidMedsker

    Lord Jefito, I am shocked, SHOCKED, that you don't remember either this song or the dozens of rebuttal records that hit the shelves immediately afterwards.

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    The emperor has no clothes!

  • http://www.1075koolfm.com LM

    bahahaha!
    That rant at the end… geee. wow.
    Thanks for the morning laughs.

  • thefxc

    The answer record I'm familiar with is Miss Thang's “Thunder and Lightning”, which includes such mon bots as:

    “I don't mean to break on your clothes or nothing. I do love that grey suit you're wearing. In fact, it looks better on you today…than it did YESTERDAY.'

    “As for those electro-plated slum gold chains you got me last Valentine's Day– What, did they have a sale at Chains-R-Us?”

    “My man got me a Gold American Express Card. I never leave home without it. But as you know, I've been leaving home without you, baby…”

    I think she wins the argument.

  • http://www.last.fm/user/musicquizking/ CarlosRamirez

    Do I smell a Gregory Abbot post coming?

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    As Jason would say, “eeeyyyyyyyyyyyes you do, well well!”

  • timoteye

    I don't remember this song from the eighties. BUT . . . there is a New York City band (Latin inspired pop) called Si Se' (on Luaka Bop), self titled release 2001; track #2 “The Rain (where do I begin)” writing credit to V. Bell. Uses “The Rain” chorus as a hook. Both songs now seem to have more nuance. Creepy.

  • mojo

    I remember “The Rain.” Oh, do I. Junior in high school. Dances. Testosterone coursing through my veins in steeper quantities than, say, platelets. Dark gyms. Sparkly stuff on the walls. Little Kings in the Chevette hatchback out in the parking lot. Cheap perfume. BRUT…for men. I am glad Medsker remembers.

  • ssudio

    I remember “The Rain”. It got some controversy because many thought it was anti-woman the way he was dissing the girl at the end of the song. He was basically this pimp boyfriend who bought her expensive jewlery and Gucci bags and stuff then she meets some guy who treats her right and loves her so he flies off the handle and cancels her credit cards, leaving her broke and homeless and stuff.

  • Lani

    I was about 12 when this song came out and this song (and video) made me become a feminist. I know she cheated on him and stuff but I still hated the way he talked to her at the end of the song. This was still at a time when women were still depicted as submissive and weak. Thank god for all these women out there now who fight back in rap songs and who have the balls to write songs against cheating boyfriends. I guess when a woman cheats, it cuts deep into a man's “manhood”, but when a man cheats, we cut into your “manhood”.

  • ssudio

    I remember “The Rain”. It got some controversy because many thought it was anti-woman the way he was dissing the girl at the end of the song. He was basically this pimp boyfriend who bought her expensive jewlery and Gucci bags and stuff then she meets some guy who treats her right and loves her so he flies off the handle and cancels her credit cards, leaving her broke and homeless and stuff.

  • Lani

    I was about 12 when this song came out and this song (and video) made me become a feminist. I know she cheated on him and stuff but I still hated the way he talked to her at the end of the song. This was still at a time when women were still depicted as submissive and weak. Thank god for all these women out there now who fight back in rap songs and who have the balls to write songs against cheating boyfriends. I guess when a woman cheats, it cuts deep into a man's “manhood”, but when a man cheats, we cut into your “manhood”.

  • ssudio

    I remember “The Rain”. It got some controversy because many thought it was anti-woman the way he was dissing the girl at the end of the song. He was basically this pimp boyfriend who bought her expensive jewlery and Gucci bags and stuff then she meets some guy who treats her right and loves her so he flies off the handle and cancels her credit cards, leaving her broke and homeless and stuff.

  • Lani

    I was about 12 when this song came out and this song (and video) made me become a feminist. I know she cheated on him and stuff but I still hated the way he talked to her at the end of the song. This was still at a time when women were still depicted as submissive and weak. Thank god for all these women out there now who fight back in rap songs and who have the balls to write songs against cheating boyfriends. I guess when a woman cheats, it cuts deep into a man's “manhood”, but when a man cheats, we cut into your “manhood”.