Platters That Matter, Episode 2: Genesis — Duke

Banner graphic for the Popdose podcast Platters That Matter, featuring Chris Holmes and Dw. Dunphy.

And we’re back! By now you’ve had plenty of time to digest our words of wisdom from the first installment of Platters That Matter, but just in case you haven’t, we’ll wait.

Genesis - DukeFor our sophomore podcast, we’re jumping ahead a few years. 1980 to be precise. In March of that year Genesis released their tenth studio album — and fourth without Peter Gabriel — Duke. The record found the trio of Tony Banks, Phil Collins, and Mike Rutherford moving further away from the bread and butter progressive rock sound and more into mainstream pop. But the full transformation had not yet happened, and the result is a brilliant blend of the two styles.

It was a tumultuous time for prog rock royalty Genesis, who released their second album as a trio. In part a concept album, in part not, the songs reflect the marital strife of Phil Collins (who was on the verge of becoming a solo superstar); the desire to take the band from respected British art rock circles to the top of the charts; and to finally break free of the long, long shadow cast by Gabriel (who was himself experiencing a career surge during this time period).

Aided in part by producer David Hentschel (engineer, with producer Gus Dudgeon, on Elton John’s Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, as well as the man who played the ARP 2500 synth preamble to “Funeral for a Friend”), Genesis took the gains made by …And Then There Were Three‘s “Follow You, Follow Me” and scored two significant hits with “Misunderstanding” and “Turn It On Again.”

Your humble hosts, Chris Holmes and Dw. Dunphy, delve into the prog fan backlash that picked up steam with this record and dogged the band throughout the ’80s (but not too severely), as well as the initial plans for the larger “Duke’s Suite.” They also heap praise on one song that didn’t make the cut, and try to get to the bottom of the mystery surrounding this photo:

Genesis at Drury Lane, London - 1980

Any ideas?

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Platters That Matter, Episode 2: Genesis – Duke (1:27:24, 80.0 MB)

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  • Matt

    Dudes…..I completely missed that this had gone live. Stoked to listen!

  • Chris Holmes

    Send me your phone number and I’ll make sure you’re the first to know when a new episode posts.

  • Matt

    Dude, I can’t risk Dunphy getting my phone number…..but seriously, can’t wait to listen to this. Duke is definitely a Platter that Matters in my world.

    Any Foreigner coming up in those stacks of Platters?

  • Chris Holmes

    Magic 8 Ball says “outlook doubtful.”

  • DwDunphy

    Hmph! Hmph, I say!

  • Rock_dawg

    Another great show guys. Definately one of my all time favorite records for a lot of the reasons you mention.
    I love my vinyl copy (probably play it more than the CD), but I’ll stick up for the Nick Davis ’07 remaster because of it’s clearer vocal mix: I found a lot of muddled lyrics were a lot easier to hear in the remix. (A Trick Of The Tail too.)
    No Idea about Phil’s birdie shot, but it does look like it comes from the Duke era: he wears a Hawaiian shirt and the beard looks about the same length in the “Missunderstanding” video.

  • Old_Davy

    Was “Man Of Our Times” part of the original suite? I always heard song 4 was “Turn It On Again”.

  • Chris Holmes

    Hmm, Emmit Rhodes is an intriguing prospect indeed. Although speaking only for myself, if I was going to cover a Macca record it’d be Tug of War.

  • Koomdogg

    Nice job on this one, gents! Definitely an excellent album and interesting point in the band’s career. And that picture of Collins flipping the double bird is awesome.

  • DwDunphy

    Emmit Rhodes! Intriguing.

  • Blair

    Great work guys. Super podcast about a great album by my favourite band. So much really good material on Duke. Like many, I’m sure, the highlight of the 2007 tour for me was the In the Cage/ Cinema Show/Dukes Travels/Afterglow medley. I’ve heard lots of great live recordings from the 1980 tour but seeing that bit performed live was fantastic.
    Your analysis and commentary on this really superb album was most enjoyable to listen to. I love listening to the album on vinyl through a good headphone system.
    Look forward to other Genesis albums getting the same podcast treatment. Thanks.

  • Robert Lamb

    Love this podcast. You guys really delve into what matters on this work from a musical and emotional perspective while giving it context against earlier and later works. l’d love to hear your evaluation on “Abacab”, or Superstars “Even in the Quietest Moments”. Keep them coming and I’ll tell my peeps about you all.