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> <channel><title>Comments on: Political Culture: Ayn Rand Takes a (Midas) Mulligan</title> <atom:link href="http://popdose.com/political-culture-ayn-rand-takes-a-midas-mulligan/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://popdose.com/political-culture-ayn-rand-takes-a-midas-mulligan/</link> <description>your daily dose of pop culture</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 17:23:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator> <item><title>By: Jesse Forgione</title><link>http://popdose.com/political-culture-ayn-rand-takes-a-midas-mulligan/comment-page-1/#comment-62643</link> <dc:creator>Jesse Forgione</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 01:11:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/?p=37216#comment-62643</guid> <description>You should really read more of the book before reviewing it.  The things that Rearden says to Dagny after they have sex are meant to show the kind of perverse ideas that many people just take for granted.  He later comes to a much healthier understanding of their relationship. (sorry for the spoiler)&lt;br&gt; The book is also critical of the kind of businessmen who take government aid and collaborate with the State to rob and enslave the taxpayer (as represented by characters like Orin Boyle and James Taggart).  There is nothing in the policies of Bush and Cheney that is endorsed by Rand&#039;s political philosophy, which was first of all opposed to the initiation of violence.&lt;br&gt;The book is more popular than ever because the story (which is meant to be cautionary, not unlike Orwell&#039;s 1984) is now playing out almost word for word.  The current (worsening) crisis is the direct product of coercive intervention and the expansion of the supply of money and credit by the Fed.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should really read more of the book before reviewing it.  The things that Rearden says to Dagny after they have sex are meant to show the kind of perverse ideas that many people just take for granted.  He later comes to a much healthier understanding of their relationship. (sorry for the spoiler)<br
/> The book is also critical of the kind of businessmen who take government aid and collaborate with the State to rob and enslave the taxpayer (as represented by characters like Orin Boyle and James Taggart).  There is nothing in the policies of Bush and Cheney that is endorsed by Rand&#39;s political philosophy, which was first of all opposed to the initiation of violence.<br
/>The book is more popular than ever because the story (which is meant to be cautionary, not unlike Orwell&#39;s 1984) is now playing out almost word for word.  The current (worsening) crisis is the direct product of coercive intervention and the expansion of the supply of money and credit by the Fed.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: richardgleaves</title><link>http://popdose.com/political-culture-ayn-rand-takes-a-midas-mulligan/comment-page-1/#comment-51996</link> <dc:creator>richardgleaves</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:42:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/?p=37216#comment-51996</guid> <description>btw- the pattern continues- if you want to see a Randian character who is virtuous but not great  interacting with boyfriends, siblings, parents, aunts uncles cousins and peers, Rand&#039;s first novel &quot;We the Living&quot; gives you Kira a young girl living with her family in Russia. That is a novel of family relationships, Fountainhead is a novel of adult personal relationships, and Atlas is a novel of business and political relationships.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw- the pattern continues- if you want to see a Randian character who is virtuous but not great  interacting with boyfriends, siblings, parents, aunts uncles cousins and peers, Rand&#39;s first novel &#8220;We the Living&#8221; gives you Kira a young girl living with her family in Russia. That is a novel of family relationships, Fountainhead is a novel of adult personal relationships, and Atlas is a novel of business and political relationships.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: richardgleaves</title><link>http://popdose.com/political-culture-ayn-rand-takes-a-midas-mulligan/comment-page-1/#comment-51995</link> <dc:creator>richardgleaves</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:38:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/?p=37216#comment-51995</guid> <description>I second the suggestion you should read &quot;The fountainhead&quot; next. They are somewhat of a piece- Howard Roark in the earlier novel is the story of one Randian hero in the world and dealing with others in all spheres of society. Roark develops over the book a small family of fellow souls- Mike the contract worker, Steven the sculptor, Austin Heller, Dominique the newspaper woman and eventually Gail Wynand the only &quot;elite&quot; character in the novel (and he rose from the slums of Hells Kitchen). Roark interacts with kids, old ladies, co-workers, power elites etc.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Atlas is a novel with multiple Roarks. She doesn&#039;t spend a lot of time showing how they deal with the average Joes because she already showed that in the earlier novel. She shows them in Atlas dealing with each other.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second the suggestion you should read &#8220;The fountainhead&#8221; next. They are somewhat of a piece- Howard Roark in the earlier novel is the story of one Randian hero in the world and dealing with others in all spheres of society. Roark develops over the book a small family of fellow souls- Mike the contract worker, Steven the sculptor, Austin Heller, Dominique the newspaper woman and eventually Gail Wynand the only &#8220;elite&#8221; character in the novel (and he rose from the slums of Hells Kitchen). Roark interacts with kids, old ladies, co-workers, power elites etc.</p><p>Atlas is a novel with multiple Roarks. She doesn&#39;t spend a lot of time showing how they deal with the average Joes because she already showed that in the earlier novel. She shows them in Atlas dealing with each other.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: richardgleaves</title><link>http://popdose.com/political-culture-ayn-rand-takes-a-midas-mulligan/comment-page-1/#comment-48139</link> <dc:creator>richardgleaves</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:42:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/?p=37216#comment-48139</guid> <description>btw- the pattern continues- if you want to see a Randian character who is virtuous but not great  interacting with boyfriends, siblings, parents, aunts uncles cousins and peers, Rand&#039;s first novel &quot;We the Living&quot; gives you Kira a young girl living with her family in Russia. That is a novel of family relationships, Fountainhead is a novel of adult personal relationships, and Atlas is a novel of business and political relationships.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw- the pattern continues- if you want to see a Randian character who is virtuous but not great  interacting with boyfriends, siblings, parents, aunts uncles cousins and peers, Rand&#39;s first novel &#8220;We the Living&#8221; gives you Kira a young girl living with her family in Russia. That is a novel of family relationships, Fountainhead is a novel of adult personal relationships, and Atlas is a novel of business and political relationships.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: richardgleaves</title><link>http://popdose.com/political-culture-ayn-rand-takes-a-midas-mulligan/comment-page-1/#comment-48138</link> <dc:creator>richardgleaves</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:38:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/?p=37216#comment-48138</guid> <description>I second the suggestion you should read &quot;The fountainhead&quot; next. They are somewhat of a piece- Howard Roark in the earlier novel is the story of one Randian hero in the world and dealing with others in all spheres of society. Roark develops over the book a small family of fellow souls- Mike the contract worker, Steven the sculptor, Austin Heller, Dominique the newspaper woman and eventually Gail Wynand the only &quot;elite&quot; character in the novel (and he rose from the slums of Hells Kitchen). Roark interacts with kids, old ladies, co-workers, power elites etc.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Atlas is a novel with multiple Roarks. She doesn&#039;t spend a lot of time showing how they deal with the average Joes because she already showed that in the earlier novel. She shows them in Atlas dealing with each other.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second the suggestion you should read &#8220;The fountainhead&#8221; next. They are somewhat of a piece- Howard Roark in the earlier novel is the story of one Randian hero in the world and dealing with others in all spheres of society. Roark develops over the book a small family of fellow souls- Mike the contract worker, Steven the sculptor, Austin Heller, Dominique the newspaper woman and eventually Gail Wynand the only &#8220;elite&#8221; character in the novel (and he rose from the slums of Hells Kitchen). Roark interacts with kids, old ladies, co-workers, power elites etc.</p><p>Atlas is a novel with multiple Roarks. She doesn&#39;t spend a lot of time showing how they deal with the average Joes because she already showed that in the earlier novel. She shows them in Atlas dealing with each other.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Political Culture: Ayn Rand's Shangri-La of Self-Interest &#124; Popdose</title><link>http://popdose.com/political-culture-ayn-rand-takes-a-midas-mulligan/comment-page-1/#comment-48076</link> <dc:creator>Political Culture: Ayn Rand's Shangri-La of Self-Interest &#124; Popdose</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:31:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/?p=37216#comment-48076</guid> <description>[...] love and admits that the “contempt” he’d earlier professed to feel for her (read all about it here, if you’ve forgotten) had been a product of man’s self-destructive morality rather than his own [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] love and admits that the “contempt” he’d earlier professed to feel for her (read all about it here, if you’ve forgotten) had been a product of man’s self-destructive morality rather than his own [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Political Culture: Ayn Rand's Polemical Porn &#124; Popdose</title><link>http://popdose.com/political-culture-ayn-rand-takes-a-midas-mulligan/comment-page-1/#comment-46793</link> <dc:creator>Political Culture: Ayn Rand's Polemical Porn &#124; Popdose</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:31:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/?p=37216#comment-46793</guid> <description>[...] Since we last met in this space a week ago, I’ve managed to get through another 200 pages of Rand’s magnum opus of miserdom, Atlas Shrugged, so I’m just about halfway through. We left off with a rather cataclysmic event – the nation’s most prominent oilman setting his wells aflame and vanishing, with our heroine Dagny Taggart arriving too late to stop him. But I’ve gotta tell you, not much has happened since then. In fact, a summary of the events that actually furthered the “plot” over these last five chapters boils down to this: [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Since we last met in this space a week ago, I’ve managed to get through another 200 pages of Rand’s magnum opus of miserdom, Atlas Shrugged, so I’m just about halfway through. We left off with a rather cataclysmic event – the nation’s most prominent oilman setting his wells aflame and vanishing, with our heroine Dagny Taggart arriving too late to stop him. But I’ve gotta tell you, not much has happened since then. In fact, a summary of the events that actually furthered the “plot” over these last five chapters boils down to this: [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: autodidact</title><link>http://popdose.com/political-culture-ayn-rand-takes-a-midas-mulligan/comment-page-1/#comment-46469</link> <dc:creator>autodidact</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:15:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/?p=37216#comment-46469</guid> <description>Well, if you looked at Rand&#039;s life, and her other big novel, The Fountainhead, you&#039;ll see that she did not denigrate labor. Rand did her share of grunt work. So did Howard Roarke in the Fountainhead. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cultural conservatives would depart from Rand in that we do feel some obligation to weak, the poor, the powerless, above that which we discern to be in our self-interest. (Self interest was obviously Rand&#039;s god, but most people have more compassionate alternatives: Jesus, Hashem, Allah.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As I said, most conservatives are not in lock-step with Rand. But they translate her selfish philosophy into one whose goal is to breed more self-reliance, which we believe brings more overall success and prosperity. At the same time, we favor charity. (Compare Dick Cheney&#039;s contributions to charity with B. Obama&#039;s over the past decade, as a percentage of their incomes. It&#039;s almost laughable -- you&#039;ll see the difference in philosophy played out in dollars and cents. Obama is a stingy dude, except when it comes to other people&#039;s money. I think I gave more to charity than Obama did in some years, and I don&#039;t have one tenth of a Senator&#039;s income.) We conservatives believe that government-coerced charity is inefficient, and at this point it should be obvious that it leads to national bankruptcy. (The primary component of our true national indebtedness is in unfunded government entitlement guarantees.) Coerced charity is morally wrong, and in practical terms, it is economic suicide. I suppose in this sense conservatives arrive at a similar conclusion to Rand, but for different reasons, and with different implications for personal behavior.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if you looked at Rand&#39;s life, and her other big novel, The Fountainhead, you&#39;ll see that she did not denigrate labor. Rand did her share of grunt work. So did Howard Roarke in the Fountainhead.</p><p>Cultural conservatives would depart from Rand in that we do feel some obligation to weak, the poor, the powerless, above that which we discern to be in our self-interest. (Self interest was obviously Rand&#39;s god, but most people have more compassionate alternatives: Jesus, Hashem, Allah.)</p><p>As I said, most conservatives are not in lock-step with Rand. But they translate her selfish philosophy into one whose goal is to breed more self-reliance, which we believe brings more overall success and prosperity. At the same time, we favor charity. (Compare Dick Cheney&#39;s contributions to charity with B. Obama&#39;s over the past decade, as a percentage of their incomes. It&#39;s almost laughable &#8212; you&#39;ll see the difference in philosophy played out in dollars and cents. Obama is a stingy dude, except when it comes to other people&#39;s money. I think I gave more to charity than Obama did in some years, and I don&#39;t have one tenth of a Senator&#39;s income.) We conservatives believe that government-coerced charity is inefficient, and at this point it should be obvious that it leads to national bankruptcy. (The primary component of our true national indebtedness is in unfunded government entitlement guarantees.) Coerced charity is morally wrong, and in practical terms, it is economic suicide. I suppose in this sense conservatives arrive at a similar conclusion to Rand, but for different reasons, and with different implications for personal behavior.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: autodidact</title><link>http://popdose.com/political-culture-ayn-rand-takes-a-midas-mulligan/comment-page-1/#comment-46443</link> <dc:creator>autodidact</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 23:34:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/?p=37216#comment-46443</guid> <description>Jon, this novel is eminently criticizable. You shouldn&#039;t think that conservatives or Tea Partyers are right down the line with every point Rand makes. Buckley and the National Review certainly took this novel out and gave it a right bashing. I consider it a flawed masterpiece. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You&#039;re probably not a big science fiction reader. Atlas Shrugged is best read as an alternate universe novel, because you are correct in pointing out that it seems to be about a United States that doesn&#039;t exist and never could. Quite a bit of science fiction, being by and for nerds, also has a lot of stilted and unnatural dialog. By that standard, Dagny and Reardon and the novel&#039;s other characters are brimming with life. Your criticisms of the characters are not off the mark, though.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As an alternate universe novel, there are no exact parallels with the political struggles we see today. And I too find it odd that some conservatives criticize various administration plans as socialism, when they are self evidently a way to advance big business and big finance in an anticompetitive way. So, they aren&#039;t capitalistic, either. Neither fish nor flesh. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;History doesn&#039;t repeat, but it rhymes. Old authoritarian forms don&#039;t fit the current era, but human nature&#039;s tendency to want to control others and leech off their productive labor remain a constant. In today&#039;s USA it is the middle class and politically unconnected business that are disadvantaged. Special interest groups and politically connected industries are favored and advantaged. Every American will be made to suffer for the criminality of the finance and insurance industry and the stupidity of the auto industry. Did Rand foresee this exactly? Of course not. But Rand&#039;s universe still seems gallingly familiar. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ann Logue offers the most constructive comment here. Atlas Shrugged is entertainment for some, annoyance and tedium for others, but Ann is right that history would be a most productive use of  reading time. I enjoy history through biography, and I find that truth is stranger and more wondrous than fiction. Looking at the history of empires, it does not appear that our own American empire will end well. I can&#039;t tell you whether the barbarians will overwhelm us tomorrow or fifty years from now. But Franklin once famously told a lady that the Constitutional Convention had given us &quot;a republic, if you can keep it.&quot; I think we will not keep it, because no one even seems to understand what a republic is anymore. Nor do they respect the spirit of the individuals who produced it. Emphasis on &quot;individuals.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, this novel is eminently criticizable. You shouldn&#39;t think that conservatives or Tea Partyers are right down the line with every point Rand makes. Buckley and the National Review certainly took this novel out and gave it a right bashing. I consider it a flawed masterpiece.</p><p>You&#39;re probably not a big science fiction reader. Atlas Shrugged is best read as an alternate universe novel, because you are correct in pointing out that it seems to be about a United States that doesn&#39;t exist and never could. Quite a bit of science fiction, being by and for nerds, also has a lot of stilted and unnatural dialog. By that standard, Dagny and Reardon and the novel&#39;s other characters are brimming with life. Your criticisms of the characters are not off the mark, though.</p><p>As an alternate universe novel, there are no exact parallels with the political struggles we see today. And I too find it odd that some conservatives criticize various administration plans as socialism, when they are self evidently a way to advance big business and big finance in an anticompetitive way. So, they aren&#39;t capitalistic, either. Neither fish nor flesh.</p><p>History doesn&#39;t repeat, but it rhymes. Old authoritarian forms don&#39;t fit the current era, but human nature&#39;s tendency to want to control others and leech off their productive labor remain a constant. In today&#39;s USA it is the middle class and politically unconnected business that are disadvantaged. Special interest groups and politically connected industries are favored and advantaged. Every American will be made to suffer for the criminality of the finance and insurance industry and the stupidity of the auto industry. Did Rand foresee this exactly? Of course not. But Rand&#39;s universe still seems gallingly familiar.</p><p>Ann Logue offers the most constructive comment here. Atlas Shrugged is entertainment for some, annoyance and tedium for others, but Ann is right that history would be a most productive use of  reading time. I enjoy history through biography, and I find that truth is stranger and more wondrous than fiction. Looking at the history of empires, it does not appear that our own American empire will end well. I can&#39;t tell you whether the barbarians will overwhelm us tomorrow or fifty years from now. But Franklin once famously told a lady that the Constitutional Convention had given us &#8220;a republic, if you can keep it.&#8221; I think we will not keep it, because no one even seems to understand what a republic is anymore. Nor do they respect the spirit of the individuals who produced it. Emphasis on &#8220;individuals.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DwDunphy</title><link>http://popdose.com/political-culture-ayn-rand-takes-a-midas-mulligan/comment-page-1/#comment-46428</link> <dc:creator>DwDunphy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:20:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/?p=37216#comment-46428</guid> <description>True, but longer I live, the more it seems the human animal is too dumb not to repeat its mistakes, myself included (re: highlighted.) History turns out to be more roadmap than detour.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, but longer I live, the more it seems the human animal is too dumb not to repeat its mistakes, myself included (re: highlighted.) History turns out to be more roadmap than detour.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>

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