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isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/?p=8797#comment-87904</guid> <description>[...] of themselves.I have written extensively about gay marriage before, here and here and here and here and elsewhere. Here&#8217;s the gist of what I&#8217;ve argued before: The basic question [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of themselves.I have written extensively about gay marriage before, here and here and here and here and elsewhere. Here&#8217;s the gist of what I&#8217;ve argued before: The basic question [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JonCummings</title><link>http://popdose.com/political-culture-we-said-we-wanted-a-revolution%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-52880</link> <dc:creator>JonCummings</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:58:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/?p=8797#comment-52880</guid> <description>Yeah, well, I&#039;ll see what I can do, but if you&#039;re coming to me looking for Obama-bashing you&#039;ll have to wait until he actually does something wrong...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Though, while we&#039;re on the subject, I think that nominating Hillary for State is just asinine.  The last week of leaks, rumors, petulance and navel-gazing has reminded me exactly why I opposed Hill for the presidency in the first place.  You know she is perfectly qualified to do the job, but she brings with her so much baggage &amp; nonsense that it&#039;s just not worth the effort.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have no issue with the other Clintonistas &amp; establishment Dems Obama is bringing in -- Malcolm Gladwell made very good arguments to Rachel Maddow last night about why their experience is vital in these times -- but I think Obama would be far better served by NOT linking himself directly with the Clintons.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, well, I&#39;ll see what I can do, but if you&#39;re coming to me looking for Obama-bashing you&#39;ll have to wait until he actually does something wrong&#8230;</p><p>Though, while we&#39;re on the subject, I think that nominating Hillary for State is just asinine.  The last week of leaks, rumors, petulance and navel-gazing has reminded me exactly why I opposed Hill for the presidency in the first place.  You know she is perfectly qualified to do the job, but she brings with her so much baggage &#038; nonsense that it&#39;s just not worth the effort.</p><p>I have no issue with the other Clintonistas &#038; establishment Dems Obama is bringing in &#8212; Malcolm Gladwell made very good arguments to Rachel Maddow last night about why their experience is vital in these times &#8212; but I think Obama would be far better served by NOT linking himself directly with the Clintons.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: games</title><link>http://popdose.com/political-culture-we-said-we-wanted-a-revolution%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-73597</link> <dc:creator>games</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:02:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/?p=8797#comment-73597</guid> <description>This article I so true, keep on writing like this, enjoyment to read :) 699</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article I so true, keep on writing like this, enjoyment to read <img
src='http://popdose.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> 699</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JonCummings</title><link>http://popdose.com/political-culture-we-said-we-wanted-a-revolution%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-41733</link> <dc:creator>JonCummings</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:58:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/?p=8797#comment-41733</guid> <description>Yeah, well, I&#039;ll see what I can do, but if you&#039;re coming to me looking for Obama-bashing you&#039;ll have to wait until he actually does something wrong...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Though, while we&#039;re on the subject, I think that nominating Hillary for State is just asinine.  The last week of leaks, rumors, petulance and navel-gazing has reminded me exactly why I opposed Hill for the presidency in the first place.  You know she is perfectly qualified to do the job, but she brings with her so much baggage &amp; nonsense that it&#039;s just not worth the effort.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have no issue with the other Clintonistas &amp; establishment Dems Obama is bringing in -- Malcolm Gladwell made very good arguments to Rachel Maddow last night about why their experience is vital in these times -- but I think Obama would be far better served by NOT linking himself directly with the Clintons.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, well, I&#39;ll see what I can do, but if you&#39;re coming to me looking for Obama-bashing you&#39;ll have to wait until he actually does something wrong&#8230;</p><p>Though, while we&#39;re on the subject, I think that nominating Hillary for State is just asinine.  The last week of leaks, rumors, petulance and navel-gazing has reminded me exactly why I opposed Hill for the presidency in the first place.  You know she is perfectly qualified to do the job, but she brings with her so much baggage &#038; nonsense that it&#39;s just not worth the effort.</p><p>I have no issue with the other Clintonistas &#038; establishment Dems Obama is bringing in &#8212; Malcolm Gladwell made very good arguments to Rachel Maddow last night about why their experience is vital in these times &#8212; but I think Obama would be far better served by NOT linking himself directly with the Clintons.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JonCummings</title><link>http://popdose.com/political-culture-we-said-we-wanted-a-revolution%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-11817</link> <dc:creator>JonCummings</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:58:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/?p=8797#comment-11817</guid> <description>Yeah, well, I&#039;ll see what I can do, but if you&#039;re coming to me looking for Obama-bashing you&#039;ll have to wait until he actually does something wrong...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Though, while we&#039;re on the subject, I think that nominating Hillary for State is just asinine.  The last week of leaks, rumors, petulance and navel-gazing has reminded me exactly why I opposed Hill for the presidency in the first place.  You know she is perfectly qualified to do the job, but she brings with her so much baggage &amp; nonsense that it&#039;s just not worth the effort.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have no issue with the other Clintonistas &amp; establishment Dems Obama is bringing in -- Malcolm Gladwell made very good arguments to Rachel Maddow last night about why their experience is vital in these times -- but I think Obama would be far better served by NOT linking himself directly with the Clintons.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, well, I&#39;ll see what I can do, but if you&#39;re coming to me looking for Obama-bashing you&#39;ll have to wait until he actually does something wrong&#8230;</p><p>Though, while we&#39;re on the subject, I think that nominating Hillary for State is just asinine.  The last week of leaks, rumors, petulance and navel-gazing has reminded me exactly why I opposed Hill for the presidency in the first place.  You know she is perfectly qualified to do the job, but she brings with her so much baggage &#038; nonsense that it&#39;s just not worth the effort.</p><p>I have no issue with the other Clintonistas &#038; establishment Dems Obama is bringing in &#8212; Malcolm Gladwell made very good arguments to Rachel Maddow last night about why their experience is vital in these times &#8212; but I think Obama would be far better served by NOT linking himself directly with the Clintons.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: steve</title><link>http://popdose.com/political-culture-we-said-we-wanted-a-revolution%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-11816</link> <dc:creator>steve</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:30:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/?p=8797#comment-11816</guid> <description>Well, to answer Jefito&#039;s question - yes, I&#039;ve not only seen picture of cities in Afghanistan, I&#039;ve been to them.  I also helped build a girls school in Charikar.  Now, the local people only seemed to want to learn a few English words, and those were mainly &quot;Thank You&quot;.  And I sat there accepting their thanks, which was hard to do.  Me - I was there for somewhat selfish reasons - because helping out girls in Afghanistan and doing philanthropy made ME feel good.  They shouldn&#039;t have been thanking me - they should have been thanking the Bush administration and NATO for backing his decision to overthrow the Taliban government.  Could he have killed the Taliban movement as a whole afterwards?  Based on my travels and knowledge of the situation - no.  Because the movement retreated to the FATA in in Pakistan.  And the Pakistani government has a vested interest in letting the Taliban movement survive there.  Yes, it&#039;s a really dirty quagmire we&#039;re in there, and Obama is going to find out how easy it is to throw stones at Bush&#039;s policies from the outside, but how f-ed up the situation was BEFORE Bush and how it still is.  And I wish him the best, but despite his bold election talk, he can&#039;t put troops into Pakistan.  Oh how the liberals will love him then...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But at least having an elected president in Karzai and girls legally allowed to go to school (even if the men in the Pashtun culture still sometimes throw acid at them) is a vast improvement.  Simple fact.  Again, Bush sucks, but give him a little credit and ease up on the blind hatred.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for Powell and Rice, I&#039;m simply saying that no other president found that diversity was important enough to appoint an African American as the face of America to the rest of the world. Plain and simple.  Our &quot;first black President&quot; had one African American in the White House, and that was the nice secretary (what was her name) who would open the door for Monica so Bubba could get his thingy taken care of - all the while he was conveniently forgetting to increase aid to Africa to give hope to blacks that they one day may indeed have the chance to hold a cabinet position in an American administration.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And as for me making liberal arguments, yeah, I&#039;m as independent as they come.  I&#039;m more liberal than you on the environment (again - please don&#039;t accept the ride on the private jet from the Hollywood hypocrites), and conservative on other things.  I call that &quot;thinking about each issue without bias to either brainwashed party&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for the compliment to you, keep the great articles coming.  I&#039;m looking forward to your attempts to honestly critique Obama&#039;s decisions.  I&#039;ll be watching.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, to answer Jefito&#39;s question &#8211; yes, I&#39;ve not only seen picture of cities in Afghanistan, I&#39;ve been to them.  I also helped build a girls school in Charikar.  Now, the local people only seemed to want to learn a few English words, and those were mainly &#8220;Thank You&#8221;.  And I sat there accepting their thanks, which was hard to do.  Me &#8211; I was there for somewhat selfish reasons &#8211; because helping out girls in Afghanistan and doing philanthropy made ME feel good.  They shouldn&#39;t have been thanking me &#8211; they should have been thanking the Bush administration and NATO for backing his decision to overthrow the Taliban government.  Could he have killed the Taliban movement as a whole afterwards?  Based on my travels and knowledge of the situation &#8211; no.  Because the movement retreated to the FATA in in Pakistan.  And the Pakistani government has a vested interest in letting the Taliban movement survive there.  Yes, it&#39;s a really dirty quagmire we&#39;re in there, and Obama is going to find out how easy it is to throw stones at Bush&#39;s policies from the outside, but how f-ed up the situation was BEFORE Bush and how it still is.  And I wish him the best, but despite his bold election talk, he can&#39;t put troops into Pakistan.  Oh how the liberals will love him then&#8230;</p><p>But at least having an elected president in Karzai and girls legally allowed to go to school (even if the men in the Pashtun culture still sometimes throw acid at them) is a vast improvement.  Simple fact.  Again, Bush sucks, but give him a little credit and ease up on the blind hatred.</p><p>As for Powell and Rice, I&#39;m simply saying that no other president found that diversity was important enough to appoint an African American as the face of America to the rest of the world. Plain and simple.  Our &#8220;first black President&#8221; had one African American in the White House, and that was the nice secretary (what was her name) who would open the door for Monica so Bubba could get his thingy taken care of &#8211; all the while he was conveniently forgetting to increase aid to Africa to give hope to blacks that they one day may indeed have the chance to hold a cabinet position in an American administration.</p><p>And as for me making liberal arguments, yeah, I&#39;m as independent as they come.  I&#39;m more liberal than you on the environment (again &#8211; please don&#39;t accept the ride on the private jet from the Hollywood hypocrites), and conservative on other things.  I call that &#8220;thinking about each issue without bias to either brainwashed party&#8221;.</p><p>As for the compliment to you, keep the great articles coming.  I&#39;m looking forward to your attempts to honestly critique Obama&#39;s decisions.  I&#39;ll be watching.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JonCummings</title><link>http://popdose.com/political-culture-we-said-we-wanted-a-revolution%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-11815</link> <dc:creator>JonCummings</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:47:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/?p=8797#comment-11815</guid> <description>The one, single thing I&#039;ll give him a modicum of credit for is the AIDS initiative--but even in that previous post (when was that?) when we discussed this, we did talk about the stupidity of the abstinence-only provisions and the refusal to fully fund condom education &amp; distribution.  I won&#039;t argue with the assertion that throwing a huge amount of money at the AIDS effort was the right thing to do--and what a liberal argument it is that you&#039;re making, Steve!--but how many more people might the initiative have actually helped had it been done properly?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for Afghanistan, (again) as we&#039;ve discussed before, I agree with Jeff--removing an extremist, terror-supporting government doesn&#039;t count as an achievement if you screw up the aftermath and let them get away to torment their people again.  Sure, it&#039;s going to be difficult as hell to disable the Taliban &quot;movement&quot; now, because Obama basically will have to start from scratch!  If Bush hadn&#039;t become entranced by that shiny new invasion over in Iraq, and had kept this focus on the Afghanistan offensive in 2002-03 ... ah, who am I kidding, he would have screwed it up anyway. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t get the Powell/Rice reference, either.  The appointments were &quot;achievements&quot; just because they were black?  If Bush appointed Powell only to severely damage his reputation by forcing him to lie to the U.N. and ditch the Powell Doctrine in order to support the Iraq farce, what kind of achievement is that?  And Condi Rice has been HORRIBLE.  Bush could have appointed Rob and Fab from Milli Vanilli and gotten the same results, if the color of their skin was the standard for &quot;achievement.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And the net result of Bush&#039;s tax cuts, along with the rest of his economic policies, is the glorious nightmare we find ourselves in today.  Woo-hoo!  Tax cuts are only an &quot;achievement&quot; when they make sense, which even the 2001 tax cuts for the middle class were not (even as slim as they were, compared to the massive giveaway to rich people).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For years, conservatives used to say to us &quot;Bush Derangement Syndrome&quot; types, &quot;He can&#039;t be both stupid AND evil.  So which is it?&quot;  After watching this administration for eight loooooong years--and as we&#039;ve been reminded as he races for the gutter with deregulation during his last two months--I have to disagree with that premise.  You certainly CAN be both evil and stupid.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ll take the admonishment about overstating (though I&#039;m not sure I&#039;ll do anything about it, at least not til Bush is back on the ranch), and I&#039;ll certainly take the compliment on the passion.  Thanks for that!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one, single thing I&#39;ll give him a modicum of credit for is the AIDS initiative&#8211;but even in that previous post (when was that?) when we discussed this, we did talk about the stupidity of the abstinence-only provisions and the refusal to fully fund condom education &#038; distribution.  I won&#39;t argue with the assertion that throwing a huge amount of money at the AIDS effort was the right thing to do&#8211;and what a liberal argument it is that you&#39;re making, Steve!&#8211;but how many more people might the initiative have actually helped had it been done properly?</p><p>As for Afghanistan, (again) as we&#39;ve discussed before, I agree with Jeff&#8211;removing an extremist, terror-supporting government doesn&#39;t count as an achievement if you screw up the aftermath and let them get away to torment their people again.  Sure, it&#39;s going to be difficult as hell to disable the Taliban &#8220;movement&#8221; now, because Obama basically will have to start from scratch!  If Bush hadn&#39;t become entranced by that shiny new invasion over in Iraq, and had kept this focus on the Afghanistan offensive in 2002-03 &#8230; ah, who am I kidding, he would have screwed it up anyway.</p><p>I don&#39;t get the Powell/Rice reference, either.  The appointments were &#8220;achievements&#8221; just because they were black?  If Bush appointed Powell only to severely damage his reputation by forcing him to lie to the U.N. and ditch the Powell Doctrine in order to support the Iraq farce, what kind of achievement is that?  And Condi Rice has been HORRIBLE.  Bush could have appointed Rob and Fab from Milli Vanilli and gotten the same results, if the color of their skin was the standard for &#8220;achievement.&#8221;</p><p>And the net result of Bush&#39;s tax cuts, along with the rest of his economic policies, is the glorious nightmare we find ourselves in today.  Woo-hoo!  Tax cuts are only an &#8220;achievement&#8221; when they make sense, which even the 2001 tax cuts for the middle class were not (even as slim as they were, compared to the massive giveaway to rich people).</p><p>For years, conservatives used to say to us &#8220;Bush Derangement Syndrome&#8221; types, &#8220;He can&#39;t be both stupid AND evil.  So which is it?&#8221;  After watching this administration for eight loooooong years&#8211;and as we&#39;ve been reminded as he races for the gutter with deregulation during his last two months&#8211;I have to disagree with that premise.  You certainly CAN be both evil and stupid.</p><p>I&#39;ll take the admonishment about overstating (though I&#39;m not sure I&#39;ll do anything about it, at least not til Bush is back on the ranch), and I&#39;ll certainly take the compliment on the passion.  Thanks for that!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JonCummings</title><link>http://popdose.com/political-culture-we-said-we-wanted-a-revolution%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-11809</link> <dc:creator>JonCummings</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:18:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/?p=8797#comment-11809</guid> <description>Well, I was gonna mention carbon offsets for the trip, but that&#039;s just too far down the liberal-BS pipeline...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I was gonna mention carbon offsets for the trip, but that&#39;s just too far down the liberal-BS pipeline&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: steve</title><link>http://popdose.com/political-culture-we-said-we-wanted-a-revolution%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-11814</link> <dc:creator>steve</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:56:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/?p=8797#comment-11814</guid> <description>I didn&#039;t say it in my first comment - you&#039;re right - but that&#039;s what I meant and you know it.  I&#039;ve spent months in Afghanistan Jefito, so tread lightly here.  Yes, you&#039;re right it is local.  All I&#039;m saying in the bigger picture is that folks who want to play the Bush = Devil game have to stop sometimes and say,&quot;wait, taking out the Taliban government WAS the right thing to do&quot;.  Were mistakes made afterwards?  Of course.  But I&#039;m giving Bush credit for something he HAS done Jefito, which was take out the Taliban controlled government.  In case you don&#039;t remember, in 2004 Hamid Karzai was elected president in a free and fair election.  Over 70% of Afghans voted (better than our rates).  For this Bush (and NATO) deserve credit.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bush is a horrible president, but even he did some things right.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#39;t say it in my first comment &#8211; you&#39;re right &#8211; but that&#39;s what I meant and you know it.  I&#39;ve spent months in Afghanistan Jefito, so tread lightly here.  Yes, you&#39;re right it is local.  All I&#39;m saying in the bigger picture is that folks who want to play the Bush = Devil game have to stop sometimes and say,&#8221;wait, taking out the Taliban government WAS the right thing to do&#8221;.  Were mistakes made afterwards?  Of course.  But I&#39;m giving Bush credit for something he HAS done Jefito, which was take out the Taliban controlled government.  In case you don&#39;t remember, in 2004 Hamid Karzai was elected president in a free and fair election.  Over 70% of Afghans voted (better than our rates).  For this Bush (and NATO) deserve credit.</p><p>Bush is a horrible president, but even he did some things right.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jefito</title><link>http://popdose.com/political-culture-we-said-we-wanted-a-revolution%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-11813</link> <dc:creator>jefito</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:48:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/?p=8797#comment-11813</guid> <description>You didn&#039;t say &quot;Taliban-controlled government,&quot; Steve, and you know it. Have you seen a picture of an Afghani city? These people could care less about their &quot;government&quot; -- like every good political scientist, they know it&#039;s all local, and that&#039;s where the Taliban is still exerting force.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And who said it was going to be EASY? I merely pointed out that you&#039;re giving Bush credit for something he hasn&#039;t done.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You didn&#39;t say &#8220;Taliban-controlled government,&#8221; Steve, and you know it. Have you seen a picture of an Afghani city? These people could care less about their &#8220;government&#8221; &#8212; like every good political scientist, they know it&#39;s all local, and that&#39;s where the Taliban is still exerting force.</p><p>And who said it was going to be EASY? I merely pointed out that you&#39;re giving Bush credit for something he hasn&#39;t done.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>

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