Pop Politico: “Communing with The Forms”

It seems every four years Ralph Nader surfaces as a presidential candidate to remind progressives, and even some libertarians, why our system of government is rigged, why we’re getting screwed, and why we should vote for him. There’s nothing wrong with Nader running as a presidential candidate. I’m not one of those who gets all frothy at the mouth and screams “Spoiler! You’re responsible for George W. Bush in 2000! You’re an ego-head who just loves the limelight and doing what you can to destroy the Democratic party!” I don’t resent Ralph for wanting to become President on a far left agenda. In fact, I’m in agreement with him on many issues. And when he talks about democratizing the election process by giving people more choices in terms of candidates, I can only say “You go, Ralph!”

I think people need to hear from individuals who come from political parties that haven’t been part of the duopoly (to use Ralph’s term for the way in which the Republicans and Democrats have basically closed the system so their candidates are the only viable ones running for office). I also think it’s important to end “safe seats” for members of Congress, and to end the dominance of corporate power by changing the way in which campaigns are financed. However, all this presumes that we, as a people, actually find these issues compelling and act to change the way in which business in conducted in Washington D.C. and in state capitals around the country.

It takes more than just a presidential run as a third party candidate to alter The System. It takes a movement that agitates, pressures, and compels The System to do thing differently. It’s not an easy thing. Just look how long it took for the U.S. government to finally pass civil rights legislation, or how long it’s taken right-wing activists to chip away at reproductive rights for women in this country. For the most part, the notion of “change” that’s been part of almost every presidential campaign is an incremental thing. When is it not incremental? Well, that’s easy to answer: war, or some kind of national crisis where people turn to the government to “do something.”

To his credit (and he deserves a lot of it!), Nader has done things that have benefited the larger society. However, as of late, it seems he can only bring issues he’s been supporting in front of Americans during a presidential election, and as a presidential candidate. And what are those issues? Well, from a program I recently heard on my local NPR station, here are some he and his running mate, Matt Gonzalez, listed:

  • Single payer/universal health insurance.
  • Election reform to do away with the duopoly in the government.
  • Environmental protection.
  • Consumer protections.
  • Abolishing the Patriot Act.
  • Strengthening worker’s rights.
  • Ending the corporate dominance of the political system.
  • Ending nuclear power and putting money into developing alternative energy power that decenters the dominance of fossil fuels.
  • Step up the prosecution of corporate crimes.
  • Upgrade the country’s infrastructure.
  • Stop wasting money on a bloated Pentagon budget.
  • A real peace effort between Israel and Palestine.
  • End the war in Iraq.

As I listened to Ralph and Matt on the radio, they unfortunately never got beyond sound bites when it came to these issues — even though the show was one hour and they didn’t have any commercial breaks. However, what came through loud and clear from both Nader and Gonzalez were two things: resentment and idealism. Both were resentful of people calling them spoilers and egomaniacs. They were defensive and vague on the issues they did support, and when pressed for more details (e.g., one caller asked why there was so little in terms of content on their website), they pleaded with people to be patient while position papers and the like get loaded onto the site. Later, however, Nader basically said that he was advocating for “the same” issues he’s been working on for years (see above). Okay, if that’s the case, then he ought to have tons of position papers already written and should be able to speak with eloquence on these subjects if he’s going in front of an audience to promote the fact that he’s running for elected office.

But he and Gonzalez kept defaulting to a tone of resentment — peppered with intriguing political positions and critiques of the way The System works. For example, when Nader was asked why he doesn’t spend time lobbying in D.C., he was quick to point out that for the past 20 years the Reps and the Dems have made deals with “corporate power” to shut folks like him out. So, the only recourse he has is to find an opportunity like a national election to raise issues that are not getting heard. Well, in this day and age when someone of Ralph’s stature can get a talk show (either on TV or radio), the notion that the only platform he has to reach a national audience is by running for President rings hollow. Plus, hasn’t this guy heard of blogging or other social networking avenues to get his message out? Can’t he start a “Nader TV” page on YouTube? Can’t he Super Poke his friends on Facebook? Or maybe write on their Fun Wall things like “Corporate Power Sucks The Soul Out of Our Democracy”? Or for shits and giggles, just write “Kuato Lives”on his My Space bulletin space. You get the point.

Perhaps part of the problem for the Nader/Gonzalez ticket is that they dwell outside of The Cave. Their political ideas are painted with broad strokes, and the more they spoke on the program I was listening to, the more I kept thinking of Plato’s Republic and how these two philosopher-kings were trying very hard to speak to us slaves who watch the pantomime of politics on the shadows of a cave. However, they couldn’t quite express The Truth of the Pure Forms with which they have communed, and were frustrated when people who disagreed with them jumped into the conversation. That’s when Nader and Gonzalez’s resentful side surfaced by either swatting at the flies of dissent (which almost always came from a leftie), or launching an attack on The System (with the Democratic Party getting the lion’s share of their ire). With fights like this, is it any wonder why the Right loves Nader?

Okay, now let’s flash forward past the election and say that Nader and Gonzalez won. Their administration goes to Washington and has work with Congress — composed almost entirely of Republicans and Democrats who, according to Nader, are the source of many entrenched problems in our political system. The Nader Administration now has to push through legislation that they campaigned on and work with people they fundamentally detest. What do you think would happen when their idealism clashes with the compromises The System requires?

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  • First, glad you're back, man. Hope all things are better.

    Second, I don't have a problem with Nader's intentions per se. I do have a problem that, in recent times, he has degenerated from viable independent to something of an attention whore, so much so that his cause is harmed by dint of him being involved with it. I would have preferred he supported another independent, putting his resources and networking behind a fresh new face.

    As it stands for the moment, the bad taste Nader leaves behind is that of narcissism unchecked, specifically in 2004 when (if I recall correctly) the Green Party dropped him and he essentially dogged them and went further into independent territory, a sort of "See, I'm so independent I don't need any of you." It came across very badly.

    The GOP and Dems have polarized the nation so much that I really do think independent voices need to be present, if only to pull focus back from how much money each campaigner has spent/earned. I just don't think Nader is the guy. He's too focused on what's best for his personal stock to take stock of what's best for the country.

    Perhaps a camera will be present and he and the other notorious camera hog Chuck Schumer can fight to the death for it.
  • Thanks Dw! I've been missing some great posts here. I have a lot of catching up on my Popdose material. And I see we have some new writers, a new layout, and banners! I go away for a couple of weeks and Jeff and his crew change things up. But it all looks great.

    On Nader...

    I remember the problems Nader had in 2004, but I do think that if he is to salvage his public image, he should pick his fights with people who he fundamentally disagrees with, and not fall into the typical left-wing habit of killing their young.
  • I don't think it's ego. There's a fantastic Nader biography that was published a few years ago -- I think it's called "Ralph Nader: Crusader, Icon, Spoiler" -- and by all accounts, he's a pretty ego-free guy. Nader's biggest problem is also his greatest asset: an unwillingness to compromise.

    You get an unpleasant glimpse of how this killed his career during the chapters about the Carter administration, and all the ways Nader publicly attacked his allies and former co-workers when he didn't think they were doing enough. He has an outstanding public service record -- better than all the other clowns running for office put together -- and I voted for him twice, but I harbor no illusions about a Nader presidency being at all successful. He's the type of guy who might actually cut off his nose to spite his face.
  • Therein lies the problem with almost all independent candidates: like Blur sang, he's the model of a charmless man. You and I both know that modern politics is as much a face-time game as any sport where the star player showboats. That's why, no matter how excited people got with Ron Paul (although he's GOP), he hadn't a prayer. He looked like a Disney character.

    And as I allude to in other places in these comments, it seems the American electorate can make massive choices based on some of the stupidest criteria going...
  • JonCummings
    I can't think of any possible way that Ralph Nader's candidacy can be good for the country. Whether he's a massive egotist or not, he's quite obviously lost his sense of perspective if he thinks that he didn't play a huge part in throwing the election to Bush in2000, and might do the very same thing this year if he has any impact at all.

    I'm all for shaking up the system and turning the two-party monopoly into more of a three- or four-party system in which governing coalitions must be created. I'm also all for single-payer health care and public financing of campaigns. But those agenda items are NOT going to be achieved by a left-fringe candidate who gets no more than 3 percent of the vote--particularly if the 3 percent he takes comes from a Democrat and throws another election to the party that is LEAST likely to give a shit about his agenda.

    A challenge to the two-party system, should it ever work (and I have serious doubts), must come from the center. It must not be beholden to big money, and it must have serious intellectual heft combined with ridiculous amounts of campaign cash. In a different year, Bloomberg--were he serious about ideas as well as ambition and willingness to throw his money around--might be an ideal vehicle.

    This, however, is not that year, and Bloomberg has realized that. Assuming Obama wins the Dem nomination, we'll have two candidates seriously pushing toward the center, trying to gobble up independents. We are blessed to have a Republican candidate who is interested in cleaning up the money problems in politics--wouldn't it be great to see a real, serious debate on that subject that wasn't about pointing fingers but was about discussing how far such reforms should go?

    This is an election in which Democrats, if they don't blow it, have a real chance to make such monumental gains in Congress (as well as the White House) that serious progress toward Nader's agenda could be achieved over the next four years. Nader may have decided that the two-party system is un-fixable, but right now his demagoguery on that issue is at odds with the rest of his agenda. His candidacy is, potentially at least, a matter of biting off the Democrats' nose to spite his own face.
  • Al Gore's shitty campaign threw the election to Bush in 2000. End of story.
  • JonCummings
    I would be the first to agree that Gore screwed up in many ways in 2000--including several ways that Hillary is repeating this year. But Gore's lousy choices only made what should have been an easy election close. There were plenty of otherl factors that, if you took even one of them away, would have led to a Gore presidency: the butterfly ballots in Palm Beach County, the "felons" purge...Bill's roving pecker....and, yes, Ralph Nader taking 54,000 votes in a state Gore "lost" by just over 500.
  • Sorry, Jon, but that argument doesn't hold water with me. In fact, as Py can attest, it really pisses me off. Those votes weren't Gore's by right, they were his to earn, and he didn't do it. If Nader "took" them, it was because voters didn't respond to Gore's message, or lack thereof. Be upset with Gore, be upset with the Florida Democrats who voted for Bush (they outnumbered Dems who voted Nader), but Ralph Nader had every right to run, and doesn't deserve the misguided wrath of people pissed off about eight years of W.
  • I'm reserving my rage for the press. They hated Gore and found him boring, loved Bush and found him charming, and covered the election as though it were about as important as the junior high student council elections.
  • The "I'd drink a beer with him!" rationale. Don't get me started. If that truly was the majority's reason for voting, we deserved what we got.
  • The press has already been shining McCain's knob since 2000, and they'll keep on doing it through the election this year, too. Observe.
  • What bothers me most is McCain's "Pretty Woman" Effect, by which, Julia Roberts made "Pretty Woman" 15+ years ago and the media still tags her that way. McCain's voting record has been staunchly GOP as of late, including rejecting many initiatives he authored, THAT HAVE HIS NAME ON THEM, yet he's still called "Maverick".
  • JonCummings
    So, to be clear, you didn't think much of Gore's 2000 campaign?

    Sure Nader had a right to run, but we're just gonna have to disagree on whether it was useful for him to do so. I thought he was pissing into the wind back then, the same way I do now. If his rationale in running this time is basically the same as it was in 2000--to argue that there's no difference between the two parties--then he should at least have the brains to recognize that the last eight years have proved the exact opposite is true.

    I have more than enough anger to go around.
  • The last eight years HAVEN'T proven the opposite. What has the Democratic Party been doing to differentiate itself from the Republicans? I'm sorry, but if you honestly think the Dems have been an opposition party during Bush's time in office, then I'm not sure what else I can say. I can't count the times they've bent over for this administration. If anything, I think Nader's point has only been underscored.

    In a democratic society, if you think you've got something to offer the people, then it's your right, if not your responsibility to run for office. It's the voter's responsibility to learn about you as a candidate and cast an informed ballot. Nader ran, and a few people voted for him. The level of indignity still being felt by Democrats all these years later is utterly absurd. Useful, not useful, whatever... it was a campaign. Clearly, it resonated with a segment of the voting public that had been abandoned by the Democrats.
  • Perhaps this is the subject for another post, but I
    would argue that the Dems have done things in
    the last 4 years to show they are not Pepsi to the
    Republican's Coke.
  • JonCummings
    You won't get an argument from me on the fact that the Democrats were complete pussies early in the "war on terror." It astounds me that nobody talks now about the fact that Democrats largely voted for the war, and for the labor-rights-free Homeland Security bill, because they were afraid of being labeled "soft on terror" in the runup to the 2002 midterms--not that they didn't get their asses handed to them anyway.

    I'm ashamed of what they did then, but I'm not ashamed of what they've done lately. Democrats have faithfully been trying to force an end to the war for the last year, but have been thwarted by vetoes and Senate filibusters. It's easy to blame them for "not getting the job done," but it's not accurate. I wish there had been more ranting and raving in oversight hearings, and perhaps an impeachment trial or two, but the Dems clearly are hedging their bets and waiting for a landslide in November. THEY'D BETTER BE RIGHT.

    The only beef I have with Dems since they took the majority is that they should have filibustered Bush's wiretapping bill in '06. I am proud of the House for (so far at least) saying "enough's enough" and letting that unconstitutional piece-of-shit law expire.

    We can go back and forth on this all day (and we pretty much have). Yes, Jeff, Gore fucked up every way to Sunday--except for that annoying fact that he actually was the choice of the majority of people in this country--and his inability to carry either his state or Clinton's was inexcusable. (Though it wasn't altogether surprising, between Southern disgust with Clinton's cock and the fact that Gore actually tacked to the left of Clinton, with his whole "People vs. the Powerful" message.)

    However, despite all the idealistic stuff about rights and responsibilities to run for office, out here in the world where elections are actually won and lost you'll never convince me of the utility in launching a third-party candidacy that takes votes from only one side of the electorate, with the potential result that the very issues you're arguing for are likely to languish for four to eight years.

    Nader could have worked in all sorts of ways to change or improve the system, from grass-roots third-party advocacy and organizing at the state and local levels to lawsuits targeting big-money influence. Instead, as it turned out, he (and those who voted for him, either out of idealism or other reasons) set back his/their very own causes by peeling off enough of the Democratic vote that Bush was allowed to game the system in Florida.

    And now he doesn't even have the Green Party--or, really, anybody at all--behind him, yet he still feels he has to throw himself into the breach. When you're a far-left contrarian and Bill Maher and Michael Moore are on their knees begging you not to run for president, maybe you should catch a clue.
  • 1.) House is going to cave on wiretapping. Just watch.
    2.) How many times has Reid forced to the Republicans to actually filibuster? The sixty-vote threshold exists because the Dems (particularly Reid) don't have the stones to make them get up there and talk until their vocal chords are bloody.
  • Jon, it doesn't matter how many examples you throw at Jeff,
    he'll dig his heels in and defend Nader's 2000 run by saying
    that Gore -- with all that he had going for him -- should have
    wiped the floor with Bush. It WAS Gore's election to lose, but
    Nader certainly played a big factor -- just as Perot played a role
    in helping Bill Clinton get elected twice.
  • It isn't just that Gore should have trounced Bush. It's that I believe (and I think any sane person should believe) that it's the candidate's job to earn your vote. If memory serves, Gore didn't even carry his home state -- and yet, because it "came down to Florida," Nader somehow gave the election to Bush. Democrats complaining about Nader's campaigning are like the kid who didn't study for his geometry test bitching that the Asian kid ruined the curve. Do your homework.

    What the DNC never wanted to acknowledge is that Nader filled the vacuum the party left when it moved to the center. But hey, if you want to sum this up as me blindly digging my heels in, have at it. I'll be quiet and follow the party line. That's what good Democrats are supposed to do, right?
  • Anger lead to the dark side, Jeff. :-)
  • Sad that I've become a one-topic voter, but I'm going to vote for Obama. No, I haven't joined the cult, it's just that John McCain will not end the war. He's said as much as often as he could. I don't believe Hillary will end it either. I think she has a bad habit of saying whatever needs to be said to win. Nader hasn't a chance in hell.

    And to those who say Obama hasn't the experience nor has he elaborated on any single topic. Very true. I'm hoping that, like Bush only more competently, he surrounds himself with experience. Regardless, though my heart goes with whomever brings back the jobs and our economy, I have to vote to end the war. If that sounds like I'm throwing away a vote on a tunnel-vision view, so be it. There are still soldiers dying and being maimed daily. So what if the surge is "working"? There's no such thing as a winnable war, it's lie we just don't believe anymore.
  • To wit: Clinton Suggests She'll Keep Fighting

    In the last full day of campaigning before Tuesday's crucial primaries in Ohio and Texas, Hillary Clinton says "I'm just getting warmed up." She's battling to come back after Barack Obama's 11 wins in a row.
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