Comments on: Pop Politico: “The Party Bush Destroyed” http://popdose.com/pop-politico-the-party-bush-destroyed/ your daily dose of pop culture Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:32:20 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Dan http://popdose.com/pop-politico-the-party-bush-destroyed/comment-page-1/#comment-41453 Dan Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:09:24 +0000 http://popdose.com/?p=8671#comment-41453 Could Palin answer any of these questions? Her high school dropout son? Or her high school dropout soon-to-be son-in-law? <br><br>That would be a fun sampling! They could do it at the Palin Thanksgiving dinner! Could Palin answer any of these questions? Her high school dropout son? Or her high school dropout soon-to-be son-in-law?

That would be a fun sampling! They could do it at the Palin Thanksgiving dinner!

]]> By: Dan http://popdose.com/pop-politico-the-party-bush-destroyed/comment-page-1/#comment-13782 Dan Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:09:24 +0000 http://popdose.com/?p=8671#comment-13782 Could Palin answer any of these questions? Her high school dropout son? Or her high school dropout soon-to-be son-in-law? <br><br>That would be a fun sampling! They could do it at the Palin Thanksgiving dinner! Could Palin answer any of these questions? Her high school dropout son? Or her high school dropout soon-to-be son-in-law?

That would be a fun sampling! They could do it at the Palin Thanksgiving dinner!

]]> By: JonCummings http://popdose.com/pop-politico-the-party-bush-destroyed/comment-page-1/#comment-13781 JonCummings Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:04:40 +0000 http://popdose.com/?p=8671#comment-13781 Let's do a test of GOP voters, circa 2004. Question 1: Did Saddam Hussein have something to do with 9/11? Question 2: Did we find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Question 3: Did you, Sean Hannity and George Bush pull your answers to Questions 1 and 2 out of your ass? Let's do a test of GOP voters, circa 2004. Question 1: Did Saddam Hussein have something to do with 9/11? Question 2: Did we find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Question 3: Did you, Sean Hannity and George Bush pull your answers to Questions 1 and 2 out of your ass?

]]> By: Ted http://popdose.com/pop-politico-the-party-bush-destroyed/comment-page-1/#comment-13780 Ted Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:45:24 +0000 http://popdose.com/?p=8671#comment-13780 Well, why would they say "We should test people before voting," when such a policy is clearly illegal. Instead, you just get 12 people on camera saying ignorant things and have Sean Hannity shake his head and say things like: "I can't believe people aren't informed! If they were just informed (Hint, hint: if they just vote Republican and watch Fox News), they wouldn't make the mistake of voting for Obama." <br><br>And regarding the methodology used in this survey, I have this to say: Small-scale qualitative surveys that make large-scale inferences based on questions that are suspect to begin with, make good partisan fodder but not solid facts. <br><br>I'll agree with you on one thing, though: Obama needs to diversify his appointments more. Too many FOBs ("Friends of Bill) in the mix means Obama is going to be too much in the tank with the Clintons. Well, why would they say “We should test people before voting,” when such a policy is clearly illegal. Instead, you just get 12 people on camera saying ignorant things and have Sean Hannity shake his head and say things like: “I can't believe people aren't informed! If they were just informed (Hint, hint: if they just vote Republican and watch Fox News), they wouldn't make the mistake of voting for Obama.”

And regarding the methodology used in this survey, I have this to say: Small-scale qualitative surveys that make large-scale inferences based on questions that are suspect to begin with, make good partisan fodder but not solid facts.

I'll agree with you on one thing, though: Obama needs to diversify his appointments more. Too many FOBs (”Friends of Bill) in the mix means Obama is going to be too much in the tank with the Clintons.

]]> By: Oldetymer http://popdose.com/pop-politico-the-party-bush-destroyed/comment-page-1/#comment-13779 Oldetymer Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:26:16 +0000 http://popdose.com/?p=8671#comment-13779 No where on any of the clips did i hear anyone say they wanted to test voters, rather i heard, no the sad part is these people were not dumb, so where did testing come into play in this discussion?<br><br> And also you forgot to mention the phone poll that was done that supported the twelve person survey, how can you make that go away?<br><br> Hey i'm not out for blood here just bringing up articals for debate, i say live and let live, good luck to all Obamaites, and the new Secretary of State, Queen Hillary, and all the ex Clinton cabinet members that are quickly filling up the Obama cabinet, now thats real change.<br><br> And remember you used the stoooopid word not me :) No where on any of the clips did i hear anyone say they wanted to test voters, rather i heard, no the sad part is these people were not dumb, so where did testing come into play in this discussion?

And also you forgot to mention the phone poll that was done that supported the twelve person survey, how can you make that go away?

Hey i'm not out for blood here just bringing up articals for debate, i say live and let live, good luck to all Obamaites, and the new Secretary of State, Queen Hillary, and all the ex Clinton cabinet members that are quickly filling up the Obama cabinet, now thats real change.

And remember you used the stoooopid word not me :)

]]> By: Ted http://popdose.com/pop-politico-the-party-bush-destroyed/comment-page-1/#comment-13778 Ted Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:57:25 +0000 http://popdose.com/?p=8671#comment-13778 Well, the link finally worked, but instead of watching the clip on the site, I found a much more revealing clip (revealing the intent of the filmmaker, John Ziegler) on Fox News: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfpQfOENzjs" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfpQfOENzjs</a><br><br>Ziegler is trying to bring back a variation of literacy tests whites used to exclude blacks from voting (tests made illegal because of the Voting Rights Act in 1965). <br><br>And I love Ziegler's skewed methodology and conclusions: 12 people out of the millions who voted for Obama unable to correctly answer questions about Congress, an Obama gaffe (i.e., campaigning in 57 states), and the like proves beyond a shadow of a doubt these 12 people -- and by extension anyone who voted for Obama -- are stoooopid. <br><br>"Just the facts." Ha ha ha ha ha, Oldetymer. Ziegler is an opportunist (check out how many times he mentions his website in the clip), a bigot, and a hack -- which makes him perfect for Fox News. Well, the link finally worked, but instead of watching the clip on the site, I found a much more revealing clip (revealing the intent of the filmmaker, John Ziegler) on Fox News: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfpQfOENzjs

Ziegler is trying to bring back a variation of literacy tests whites used to exclude blacks from voting (tests made illegal because of the Voting Rights Act in 1965).

And I love Ziegler's skewed methodology and conclusions: 12 people out of the millions who voted for Obama unable to correctly answer questions about Congress, an Obama gaffe (i.e., campaigning in 57 states), and the like proves beyond a shadow of a doubt these 12 people — and by extension anyone who voted for Obama — are stoooopid.

“Just the facts.” Ha ha ha ha ha, Oldetymer. Ziegler is an opportunist (check out how many times he mentions his website in the clip), a bigot, and a hack — which makes him perfect for Fox News.

]]> By: Oldetymer http://popdose.com/pop-politico-the-party-bush-destroyed/comment-page-1/#comment-13777 Oldetymer Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:06:12 +0000 http://popdose.com/?p=8671#comment-13777 no joke, no spam, just the facts <a href="http://www.howobamagotelected.com" rel="nofollow">www.howobamagotelected.com</a> Jon i really like your reply about the core of the GOP being rural,undereducated and lily white, i sure hope you get this link to work so you can see some of your fine examples of the smart over educated city folks! no joke, no spam, just the facts http://www.howobamagotelected.com Jon i really like your reply about the core of the GOP being rural,undereducated and lily white, i sure hope you get this link to work so you can see some of your fine examples of the smart over educated city folks!

]]> By: JonCummings http://popdose.com/pop-politico-the-party-bush-destroyed/comment-page-1/#comment-13776 JonCummings Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:50:36 +0000 http://popdose.com/?p=8671#comment-13776 Bless you. Pressure's on for tomorrow, now, I guess. Bless you. Pressure's on for tomorrow, now, I guess.

]]> By: Ted http://popdose.com/pop-politico-the-party-bush-destroyed/comment-page-1/#comment-13775 Ted Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:56:29 +0000 http://popdose.com/?p=8671#comment-13775 Thanks for stopping by, Nancyf. Just and FYI: Jon Cummings writes an excellent weekly column called "Political Culture" that runs on Thursday afternoons here at Popdose!<br><br>How's THAT for cross promotion. :-) Thanks for stopping by, Nancyf. Just and FYI: Jon Cummings writes an excellent weekly column called “Political Culture” that runs on Thursday afternoons here at Popdose!

How's THAT for cross promotion. :-)

]]> By: Ted http://popdose.com/pop-politico-the-party-bush-destroyed/comment-page-1/#comment-13773 Ted Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:52:03 +0000 http://popdose.com/?p=8671#comment-13773 Oldetymer's website seems like some kind of joke -- or spam. <br><br>Jon, like your experience, almost all the registered Republicans I know voted for Obama in this election. But, like you, I live in the same Blue State. But! I do have a friend who worked in Ohio for the Obama campaign, and he was sending quite a few emails about how much support Obama was getting in unlikely communities -- like registered Republicans. <br><br>The qualitative data I've seen suggests that Obama appealed to many middle of the road Republicans who, quite frankly, were just as sick of Bush as hardcore Dems. <br><br>And lastly, your comment at the end about what will lead to the downward spiral of the Republican Party was alluded to by David Brooks a couple of days after the election -- but I doubt anyone in the GOP is really listening. Oldetymer's website seems like some kind of joke — or spam.

Jon, like your experience, almost all the registered Republicans I know voted for Obama in this election. But, like you, I live in the same Blue State. But! I do have a friend who worked in Ohio for the Obama campaign, and he was sending quite a few emails about how much support Obama was getting in unlikely communities — like registered Republicans.

The qualitative data I've seen suggests that Obama appealed to many middle of the road Republicans who, quite frankly, were just as sick of Bush as hardcore Dems.

And lastly, your comment at the end about what will lead to the downward spiral of the Republican Party was alluded to by David Brooks a couple of days after the election — but I doubt anyone in the GOP is really listening.

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