Song-Off: Describing a Person as a Rolling Stone

Bob Dylan – “Like a Rolling Stone”

Robert: Rolling Stone magazine named Bob Dylan’s “Like a Rolling Stone” (1965) the greatest song of all time in 2004. It certainly contains the best Rolling Stone product placement of all time — it predates the magazine’s existence, making it a truly impressive example of forward-thinking marketing — but is it really the best song ever? For the purposes of this edition of Song-Off, you bet your ass it is! Some say this immaculate kiss-off to a privileged bohemian girl who wants to be a starving artist (but without all that icky starvation) was blown in the direction of Edie Sedgwick or Joan Baez. But others say it’s Dylan turning his poison pen on himself, that he’s the one “with no direction home” after embracing electric guitars and alienating his folk-music fans. But as he says in the song, “When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose.” Dylan goes for broke in “Like a Rolling Stone” and comes up with a song for the ages.

Mojo: Bob Dylan’s overrated. There, I said it. He’s no poet like Longfellow, Emily Dickinson, or that dude who wrote the Broadway play about furry felines. He’s simply not. To be fair, it isn’t Dylan’s fault that cultural scholars compare his work to theirs. I put this one on the scholars who, in their comparative research, have deigned to elevate him so. (This is not to disparage his civil-rights protests that exhibited, at times, balls of steel for a little guitar-wielding pipsqueak. For that, he should be commended and elevated on a pedestal.)

The Temptations – “Papa Was a Rollin’ Stone”

Mojo: Unlike the vastly overrated Dylan, the Temptations have been vastly underrated. In fact, half of you reading this now are muttering to yourselves, “Temptations and Dylan in the same sentence? WTF?” I’ll tell you what — they told it like it was. Some people might call “Papa was a Rollin’ Stone” a black story. Others might call it a general lower-class story. But being an irresponsible jackass is a truly American art form that knows no class or racial boundaries. In this song, The Temptations call out every single male who can’t keep it zipped, whoever they are, wherever they are, and no matter how fat their wallet is. Originally written by Motown’s Norman Whitfield and Barrett Strong, the Undisputed Truth originally recorded the song and it went to #63 on the pop charts in 1971. The Temptations were the perfect group to record the following year’s definitive version, however, giving discrete voice to the mother-and-son dialogue of the lyrics as well as dramatic harmonies that helped “tell it like it is.” No way does one single folk singer trump the mighty ensemble that is The (with a capital T) Temptations.

Robert: The Temptations came up with a hell of a song themselves when they recorded “Papa Was a Rollin’ Stone,” but how much credit should the group be given for it? Norman Whitfield produced it and cowrote it with Barrett Strong. They’re the heroes who came up with the sleek, atmospheric instrumental opening, which lasts nearly four minutes on the full-length album version before Dennis Edwards’ voice makes an appearance. As legend has it, the Temptations didn’t want to record “Papa Was a Rollin’ Stone,” but after watching David Ruffin, Eddie Kendricks, and Paul Williams leave the group one by one starting in 1968, I can’t really blame the remaining members for lacking confidence. Unfortunately, their identity crisis comes through loud and clear, and it’s Whitfield and Strong who deserve the credit for pushing “Papa” across the finish line.

 

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  • To boil Dylan's essence down to his "civil-rights protests" is not only short-sighted, it's downright ignorant of how irrevocably he changed the face of rock music.

    Shame on you, Mojo...
  • You realize we have a limited amount of space to present our argument to the court, right?
  • mojo
    These anonymous commenters...wherever they lay their hat was their home...
  • Aw, give the lurkers a break. They got balls of confusion, you know.
  • Now now, you shouldn't hate Mojo any more than you should hate a defense attorney who helps get drug-dealing terrorist pederasts back onto the streets. He's just doing his job.
  • mojo
    This smells familiar. This comment. Hmmm...(emailing my usual tomato-throwing "friends" back channel...the Dylan sycophants first...)
  • mojo
    Furthermore, I wanted to give Dylan credit for accomplishing stuff outside the musical realm.

    We can all discuss and compare and debate about music and our tastes and what we like and don't...but no one's disputing that Dylan played a role in a much larger movement--unlike chumps like Keith Richards or Kurt Cobain or whoever else I love to listen to but have, like, zero social relevance.

    I'm not a big Dylan fan but I still give him much more credit for his accomplishments than most other rockers because of his civil rights record. If you want to rip on me for pointing that out, fine, your choice.
  • I was just quoting your own words, which, to paraphrase, have you saying Dylan's totally overrated, but you won't disparage his civil rights protesting ways.

    That's painting a damn influential artist w/ a pretty small brush, no?

    Now you're calling Keith Richards a chump? The nerve...
  • Not a chump. A chimp. NASA sent him into orbit in the mid-60s. All that space dust gave him superpowers: the ability to smoke the whole of Colombia and never even get a tickle in the throat, the constitution to suck down hard liquor of the highest proof percentage and recycle it as mountain fresh Deer Park water, and of course, he controls the life-sized Charlie Watts marionette through telekinesis.
  • mojo
    don't be sucked in--this is a heckler I know very well and, for whom on occasion, I've been known to purchase cold frosty ones.
  • mojo
    that's why I didn't drag out the old "you can see the monitor better if you take off your white hood" artillery, heh
  • outsidecounsel
    "When you ain't got nothin', you got nothin' to lose. What, are you copying Dylan lyrics from Supreme Court opinions?
  • Damn. You know, I didn't go back and listen to the song again when I quoted that line (though I did listen to the song several times for this Song-Off). Instead I took it from Dylan's website. But if he "ain't got nothin'," doesn't that mean he has something? So if he has something, how does he have nothing to lose? Objection, Your Honor, on the grounds of contradictory evidence! I always liked the other song more anyway. Lock my client up and throw away the key already.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIAODV43YGU
  • mojo
    Reading the headlines this week reminds us that zipper problems (alleged ones) hit every class in society, just look at A-Rod...and let the double entendres flow.
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