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> <channel><title>Comments on: When Good Albums Happen to Bad People: Robbie Robertson, &#8220;Robbie Robertson&#8221;</title> <atom:link href="http://popdose.com/when-good-albums-happen-to-bad-people-robbie-robertson-robbie-robertson/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://popdose.com/when-good-albums-happen-to-bad-people-robbie-robertson-robbie-robertson/</link> <description>your daily dose of pop culture</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 16:36:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator> <item><title>By: MatthewBolin</title><link>http://popdose.com/when-good-albums-happen-to-bad-people-robbie-robertson-robbie-robertson/comment-page-1/#comment-87563</link> <dc:creator>MatthewBolin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 19:16:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/when-good-albums-happen-to-bad-people-robbie-robertson-robbie-robertson/#comment-87563</guid> <description>I quit writing this series because of responses like this. If you wish to disagree with what I&#039;ve written, that is one thing. I expected a series with this title and this style of writing to be controversial, and to chaff fans of the artists being written about. But to attack me personally and call me nasty things because your opinions don&#039;t match mine, well, that&#039;s unfair.As to being the &quot;definitive arbiter&quot; on the subject, well, I simply have never claimed to be, so I don;t know why you state that. In fact, I&#039;ve gone back over time and edited my articles in order to fall more in line, as it regards facts that have arisen over the years that have changed my perception of events.For instance, I remember that it was thought at the time of the RRHOF induction that Robertson had strong-armed the masters of ceremony into not letting Helm appear. That does not seem to have been the case. I have changed my wording since I first wrote down that information, but must reiterate that I have read newspaper articles that state that a reason given behind Levon not appearing were terms that Robbie wanted for a &quot;reunion&quot; to occur that Helm refused to meet. I can not give you time and date on when or where I read this. Only that I did research this, and found information to that regards in a pdf retrieved from Google News.Regarding &quot;passing on innuendo&quot; and &quot;prov[ing] the points&quot;, again I do not have a source right in front of me for every line I wrote four years ago, but the largest leaps I have ever done was to draw what seemed logical conclusions based on what others have said or written. But I have not set out to prove points: I am not a scholar, a reporter, or a biographer. And I was even less so when I first wrote the words in this piece.If you think I did a lousy job of writing, that&#039;s your opinion and you are welcome to it. But I&#039;ve already stated what I think about people who feel they know my intentions from reading the first piece of mine they come across, or figure it&#039;s okay to call me an idiot because, hey, it&#039;s the internet, and internet people don&#039;t have feelings! We&#039;re all just a bunch of trolls, right?Well....no.I understand that people take their musical heroes and influences seriously, and it&#039;s not nice to see the concept of the heroic poked holes in, but the point of this series was not to &quot;fan the flames&quot;. It was to point out that even if music could be argued as an amoral act, that it is created by artists who should be looked at (and often are not) as moral individuals, and that perhaps their behavior in their everyday lives may affect their wrong, and the quality of it. I have specifically focused on people who, in my personal opinion, have for the most part only had one really great album in their (solo) careers, and by mentioning some of the general incidents and behaviors in their lives that have led them to garner &quot;problematic&quot; reputations, to posit whether their outside the studio behavior has affected the quality of their work in the studio.Again, I knew this series would be controversial when I started it, and I have started and stopped it a number of times because of personal attacks on me by fans of the artists. While calling me an &quot;idiot&quot; is far from the worst thing I&#039;ve been referred to, I still do not think it is fair.Okay, that&#039;s all I want to say about this. Carry on.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quit writing this series because of responses like this. If you wish to disagree with what I&#8217;ve written, that is one thing. I expected a series with this title and this style of writing to be controversial, and to chaff fans of the artists being written about. But to attack me personally and call me nasty things because your opinions don&#8217;t match mine, well, that&#8217;s unfair.</p><p>As to being the &#8220;definitive arbiter&#8221; on the subject, well, I simply have never claimed to be, so I don;t know why you state that. In fact, I&#8217;ve gone back over time and edited my articles in order to fall more in line, as it regards facts that have arisen over the years that have changed my perception of events.</p><p>For instance, I remember that it was thought at the time of the RRHOF induction that Robertson had strong-armed the masters of ceremony into not letting Helm appear. That does not seem to have been the case. I have changed my wording since I first wrote down that information, but must reiterate that I have read newspaper articles that state that a reason given behind Levon not appearing were terms that Robbie wanted for a &#8220;reunion&#8221; to occur that Helm refused to meet. I can not give you time and date on when or where I read this. Only that I did research this, and found information to that regards in a pdf retrieved from Google News.</p><p>Regarding &#8220;passing on innuendo&#8221; and &#8220;prov[ing] the points&#8221;, again I do not have a source right in front of me for every line I wrote four years ago, but the largest leaps I have ever done was to draw what seemed logical conclusions based on what others have said or written. But I have not set out to prove points: I am not a scholar, a reporter, or a biographer. And I was even less so when I first wrote the words in this piece.</p><p>If you think I did a lousy job of writing, that&#8217;s your opinion and you are welcome to it. But I&#8217;ve already stated what I think about people who feel they know my intentions from reading the first piece of mine they come across, or figure it&#8217;s okay to call me an idiot because, hey, it&#8217;s the internet, and internet people don&#8217;t have feelings! We&#8217;re all just a bunch of trolls, right?</p><p>Well&#8230;.no.</p><p>I understand that people take their musical heroes and influences seriously, and it&#8217;s not nice to see the concept of the heroic poked holes in, but the point of this series was not to &#8220;fan the flames&#8221;. It was to point out that even if music could be argued as an amoral act, that it is created by artists who should be looked at (and often are not) as moral individuals, and that perhaps their behavior in their everyday lives may affect their wrong, and the quality of it. I have specifically focused on people who, in my personal opinion, have for the most part only had one really great album in their (solo) careers, and by mentioning some of the general incidents and behaviors in their lives that have led them to garner &#8220;problematic&#8221; reputations, to posit whether their outside the studio behavior has affected the quality of their work in the studio.</p><p>Again, I knew this series would be controversial when I started it, and I have started and stopped it a number of times because of personal attacks on me by fans of the artists. While calling me an &#8220;idiot&#8221; is far from the worst thing I&#8217;ve been referred to, I still do not think it is fair.</p><p>Okay, that&#8217;s all I want to say about this. Carry on.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Browoowho</title><link>http://popdose.com/when-good-albums-happen-to-bad-people-robbie-robertson-robbie-robertson/comment-page-1/#comment-87560</link> <dc:creator>Browoowho</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 18:29:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/when-good-albums-happen-to-bad-people-robbie-robertson-robbie-robertson/#comment-87560</guid> <description>Well, whoever Matthew Bolin is, I can&#039;t see that he&#039;s the definitive arbiter of truth in these matters.  He has passed on a lot of inuendo and not done to prove the points he wants to make. First I&#039;ve ever heard that they blame each other for Manuel&#039;s death.  Seems clear in retrospect, that touring, or not touring, Richard wasn&#039;t going to last.  And everything else I&#039;ve read has said it was Helm who didn&#039;t want to show at the Hall of Fame, not to mention Danko&#039;s funeral.  His book made it pretty clear what an angry guy he is, which is most unfortunate given what a beautiful music maker he is.Anyway, lousy article.  Fan the flames, idiot. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, whoever Matthew Bolin is, I can&#8217;t see that he&#8217;s the definitive arbiter of truth in these matters.  He has passed on a lot of inuendo and not done to prove the points he wants to make. First I&#8217;ve ever heard that they blame each other for Manuel&#8217;s death.  Seems clear in retrospect, that touring, or not touring, Richard wasn&#8217;t going to last.  And everything else I&#8217;ve read has said it was Helm who didn&#8217;t want to show at the Hall of Fame, not to mention Danko&#8217;s funeral.  His book made it pretty clear what an angry guy he is, which is most unfortunate given what a beautiful music maker he is.</p><p>Anyway, lousy article.  Fan the flames, idiot.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: lee</title><link>http://popdose.com/when-good-albums-happen-to-bad-people-robbie-robertson-robbie-robertson/comment-page-1/#comment-87557</link> <dc:creator>lee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:41:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/when-good-albums-happen-to-bad-people-robbie-robertson-robbie-robertson/#comment-87557</guid> <description>#1 - just because other members of the band have not written much original material since, doesn&#039;t mean they didn&#039;t write certain songs or at least contribute to them while in the band.  Some people, like robbie robertson, have a gift for pulling shit out of their ass and turning it into passable music.  Some people have a few moments where they get inspired and write a really great song and then never have that inspiration again.
Some people can take the shit that someone like robbie pulls out of his ass and change from a passable tune to a really good, timeless song.
Maybe robbie has written more original work than other band members since they split, but none of them are anywhere near as amazing and timeless as songs written WITH the band.#2 - The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down - can anyone really believe that the only american in the group had nothing to do with the lyrics in this song?  This is levon&#039;s best, in my opinion, and the only person credited to this song is robbie.  Sorry, not buying it.#3- a guest posted that &quot; Robbie was handling the business obligations ... Robertson seemed canny enough not to get too
embroiled in the drug culture or the typical excesses for a band in
their position.  He kept a clear head for business when it mattered and
the others didn&#039;t.&quot;sorry, but I&#039;m pretty sure &#039;the last waltz&#039; and all robbie&#039;s major egotism was a direct result of the mass amounts of cocaine he was snorting over the years, and with martin scorcese while they edited the film.  Maybe he didn&#039;t drink as much as the others, or maybe the cocaine counteracted the alcohol, and I&#039;m sure he wasn&#039;t the only one who did it (did any musician from that era make it through without trying cocaine a few times?  Even joni mitchell did it, you can tell she&#039;s high on coke in the last waltz)  but robbie was definitely not the sober one of the group.  I don&#039;t think any of them were ever truly sober.  And cocaine is notorious for turning people into cold-hearted, egotistical, back-stabbing assholes.That being said, while I do believe that robbie robertson took songwriting credits for more than his share of the work, that doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;s responsible for manuel&#039;s death, or that levon was.  And it doesn&#039;t mean that he didn&#039;t write the majority of the band&#039;s material (we all know there are many great song writers who can&#039;t sing for shit, hell, look at dylan himself).  I just think that some of those guys had a lot more to do with the writing of specific songs than they got credit for.In my opinion it&#039;s not about &#039;taking sides&#039; or who was more of an asshole to who, or who took more drugs, or who handled the responsibilities of the band.  If you listen to the music of The Band while all five were active members, the songs don&#039;t match the writing credits.
 </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1 &#8211; just because other members of the band have not written much original material since, doesn&#8217;t mean they didn&#8217;t write certain songs or at least contribute to them while in the band.  Some people, like robbie robertson, have a gift for pulling shit out of their ass and turning it into passable music.  Some people have a few moments where they get inspired and write a really great song and then never have that inspiration again.<br
/> Some people can take the shit that someone like robbie pulls out of his ass and change from a passable tune to a really good, timeless song.<br
/> Maybe robbie has written more original work than other band members since they split, but none of them are anywhere near as amazing and timeless as songs written WITH the band.</p><p>#2 &#8211; The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down &#8211; can anyone really believe that the only american in the group had nothing to do with the lyrics in this song?  This is levon&#8217;s best, in my opinion, and the only person credited to this song is robbie.  Sorry, not buying it.</p><p>#3- a guest posted that &#8221; Robbie was handling the business obligations &#8230; Robertson seemed canny enough not to get too<br
/> embroiled in the drug culture or the typical excesses for a band in<br
/> their position.  He kept a clear head for business when it mattered and<br
/> the others didn&#8217;t.&#8221;</p><p>sorry, but I&#8217;m pretty sure &#8216;the last waltz&#8217; and all robbie&#8217;s major egotism was a direct result of the mass amounts of cocaine he was snorting over the years, and with martin scorcese while they edited the film.  Maybe he didn&#8217;t drink as much as the others, or maybe the cocaine counteracted the alcohol, and I&#8217;m sure he wasn&#8217;t the only one who did it (did any musician from that era make it through without trying cocaine a few times?  Even joni mitchell did it, you can tell she&#8217;s high on coke in the last waltz)  but robbie was definitely not the sober one of the group.  I don&#8217;t think any of them were ever truly sober.  And cocaine is notorious for turning people into cold-hearted, egotistical, back-stabbing assholes.</p><p>That being said, while I do believe that robbie robertson took songwriting credits for more than his share of the work, that doesn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;s responsible for manuel&#8217;s death, or that levon was.  And it doesn&#8217;t mean that he didn&#8217;t write the majority of the band&#8217;s material (we all know there are many great song writers who can&#8217;t sing for shit, hell, look at dylan himself).  I just think that some of those guys had a lot more to do with the writing of specific songs than they got credit for.</p><p>In my opinion it&#8217;s not about &#8216;taking sides&#8217; or who was more of an asshole to who, or who took more drugs, or who handled the responsibilities of the band.  If you listen to the music of The Band while all five were active members, the songs don&#8217;t match the writing credits.<br
/>  </p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Arthur Thomas</title><link>http://popdose.com/when-good-albums-happen-to-bad-people-robbie-robertson-robbie-robertson/comment-page-1/#comment-87553</link> <dc:creator>Arthur Thomas</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:46:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/when-good-albums-happen-to-bad-people-robbie-robertson-robbie-robertson/#comment-87553</guid> <description>Having worked in the music industry  I have witnessed first hand how money can corrupt even the best intention-ed friends. this is the most unfortunate and distasteful part of the business end of music. However, just like in most businesses, deceit and greed usually rear their ugly head. In this case it reared and stayed reared and even now with Levon seriously ill it remains like a dark cloud over two of rock&#039;s most beloved musicians.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having worked in the music industry  I have witnessed first hand how money can corrupt even the best intention-ed friends. this is the most unfortunate and distasteful part of the business end of music. However, just like in most businesses, deceit and greed usually rear their ugly head. In this case it reared and stayed reared and even now with Levon seriously ill it remains like a dark cloud over two of rock&#8217;s most beloved musicians.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stan</title><link>http://popdose.com/when-good-albums-happen-to-bad-people-robbie-robertson-robbie-robertson/comment-page-1/#comment-87186</link> <dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 04:26:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/when-good-albums-happen-to-bad-people-robbie-robertson-robbie-robertson/#comment-87186</guid> <description>See above.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See above.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: RWillie</title><link>http://popdose.com/when-good-albums-happen-to-bad-people-robbie-robertson-robbie-robertson/comment-page-1/#comment-86553</link> <dc:creator>RWillie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 02:28:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/when-good-albums-happen-to-bad-people-robbie-robertson-robbie-robertson/#comment-86553</guid> <description>Incredibly biased article.  Could have been written by Levon.  The essential debate is whether Robertson wrote the songs, or The Band wrote the songs.  Listen to anything The Band put out after Robertson left, and listen to the music Robertson put out after he left The Band, and the debate is over.  Even if Robertson is an asshole, it doesn&#039;t mean that Helm wrote the songs.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incredibly biased article.  Could have been written by Levon.  The essential debate is whether Robertson wrote the songs, or The Band wrote the songs.  Listen to anything The Band put out after Robertson left, and listen to the music Robertson put out after he left The Band, and the debate is over.  Even if Robertson is an asshole, it doesn&#8217;t mean that Helm wrote the songs.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mggit</title><link>http://popdose.com/when-good-albums-happen-to-bad-people-robbie-robertson-robbie-robertson/comment-page-1/#comment-84195</link> <dc:creator>Mggit</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:11:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/when-good-albums-happen-to-bad-people-robbie-robertson-robbie-robertson/#comment-84195</guid> <description>You nailed it. The Band members likely deserved arranging credits (which could be substantive money) but Robertson was definitely the writer. The only person in The Band who really seemed to have an issue with all this is Helm. I have met Levon Helm and was fortunate enough to jam with him. I can say he was a gentleman, funny and very giving and patient with all my &quot;fan&quot; questions (and he played HUGE grooves!). He is a great guy.It is only my opinion, but I think his hurt is clouding his recall...Robertson may well be an asshole, but not a thief.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You nailed it. The Band members likely deserved arranging credits (which could be substantive money) but Robertson was definitely the writer. </p><p>The only person in The Band who really seemed to have an issue with all this is Helm. I have met Levon Helm and was fortunate enough to jam with him. I can say he was a gentleman, funny and very giving and patient with all my &#8220;fan&#8221; questions (and he played HUGE grooves!). He is a great guy.</p><p>It is only my opinion, but I think his hurt is clouding his recall&#8230;Robertson may well be an asshole, but not a thief.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bottom Feeders, The Rock End of the '80s, Part 43 &#124; Popdose</title><link>http://popdose.com/when-good-albums-happen-to-bad-people-robbie-robertson-robbie-robertson/comment-page-1/#comment-80134</link> <dc:creator>Bottom Feeders, The Rock End of the '80s, Part 43 &#124; Popdose</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 13:53:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/when-good-albums-happen-to-bad-people-robbie-robertson-robbie-robertson/#comment-80134</guid> <description>[...] could just be good I suppose.Matthew Bolin actually wrote about this album a long while back in his When Good Albums Happen To Bad People Series. You should go back and check that out.Rock City Angels “Deep Inside My Heart” 1988, #49 [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] could just be good I suppose.Matthew Bolin actually wrote about this album a long while back in his When Good Albums Happen To Bad People Series. You should go back and check that out.Rock City Angels “Deep Inside My Heart” 1988, #49 [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: H20time</title><link>http://popdose.com/when-good-albums-happen-to-bad-people-robbie-robertson-robbie-robertson/comment-page-1/#comment-79901</link> <dc:creator>H20time</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 22:44:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/when-good-albums-happen-to-bad-people-robbie-robertson-robbie-robertson/#comment-79901</guid> <description>Correct.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: H20time</title><link>http://popdose.com/when-good-albums-happen-to-bad-people-robbie-robertson-robbie-robertson/comment-page-1/#comment-79902</link> <dc:creator>H20time</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 22:44:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://popdose.com/when-good-albums-happen-to-bad-people-robbie-robertson-robbie-robertson/#comment-79902</guid> <description>Correct.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>

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