You Again?: Creed, “Full Circle”

Jeff Giles October 28, 2009 31

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Hey, remember the late ’90s? When the Internet bubble was at its biggest, our biggest political worry was who Bill Clinton had been keeping under his desk in the Oval Office, and Creed was all over the radio? Don’t you feel nostalgic for those days? Don’t you, uh, miss Creed?

Creed is sure hoping you do.

Reunited with its Eddie Vedder-dissing original bassist and its Vedder-imitating lead singer, the band that urinated on grunge’s grave with songs like “Higher” and “With Arms Wide Open” is back with its first album of new material in eight years. Eight years, people! That’s nearly a decade! Do you know how much can happen in eight years?

Quite a lot, actually. While Creed was working on 2001′s Weathered, the World Trade Center still stood, American air travel still had a little bit of romance, and the George W. Bush presidency was still funny. Just a few years later, all that had changed — and Scott Stapp was falling down on stages, bumming rides to crappy diners in search of groupie tail, and pandering to the fundies. By 2004, the band had split, with Stapp embarking on a quickly forgotten solo career and the rest of the band hooking up with singer Myles Kennedy to form Alter Bridge.

Alter Bridge’s sales haven’t been spectacular, but neither has the band been dogged by the sort of sad/hilarious controversies that Stapp has attracted; all things being equal, you’d think the members of the band would be happy drawing fair-to-middling sales in exchange for not having to deal with the paranoid delusions of a bellowing nudnik. But you’d be wrong: apparently, someone decided to wave a pile of cash around, and now we’ve got a full-fledged Creed reunion on our hands — tour, album, and all.

As I’ve said repeatedly on my Twitter feed over the last few days, during my desperate attempts to summon the strength to experience this album: Son of a bitch.

61VX9DzSYIL._SCLZZZZZZZ_[1]Anyone dreading a repeat of “With Arms Wide Open” should be able to take a few moments of limited pleasure away from Full Circle‘s first four tracks; to its credit, Creed kicks things off loud and fast, bursting out of the gate with a quadruple blast of high-volume self-pity in “Overcome,” “Bread of Shame,” “A Thousand Faces,” and “Suddenly.” Sure, it’s more of the same from the band — sludgy riffs, low tunings, lyrics about scars, and plenty of self-serious howling from Stapp — but plenty of other crappy bands would have gone straight to the power ballad, and Creed actually bothers to reaffirm its Pearl Jam Lite bona fides before slowing things down for the obvious singles, “Rain” and “Away in Silence.” (The latter sounds like Stapp’s mea culpa to his fans and bandmates, with lines like “Don’t walk away in silence / I’m not the man I used to be.” Which is nice, although it ignores the fact that most of us weren’t going anywhere, but were instead hoping it would be Stapp walking away in silence.)

The album is all very Creed-like, which is to say it sounds like the work of an especially proficient and creative Pearl Jam cover band after a monthlong Ten marathon, a few cases of Natural Light, and the awful, sub-Jovi lyrical contributions of a loaf-brained singer who thinks there’s something meaningful in lines like “My heart is tattooed on my sleeve…It only hurts to breathe.” After eight years, I’d started to feel a little bad for thinking the old “Even Jesus hates Creed” joke was still funny, but Full Circle provided an instant cure for my guilt.

Will you like Full Circle if you’re a Creed fan? I guess so, probably, although I can’t pretend to understand how your brain works. I mean, it sounds like old Creed, with a little extra sonic expanse wedged between the layers of guitars, and the band does try a few different things, most notably by adding some acoustic guitars to the mix. This doesn’t always produce the intended effect — the intro to “On My Sleeve” sounds like something White Lion might have come up with between takes in 1988 — but the gently swaggering groove that underpins the title track suggests Creed might actually manage to be interesting someday. It isn’t very likely, what with Stapp slobbering all over everything, but you never know. As he so solemnly intones during “Rain,” “With every tomorrow comes another life.” Yeah, man.

  • http://www.bullz-eye.com DavidMedsker
  • http://twitter.com/michaelparr Michael Parr

    I believe I'd prefer a repeated punch to the jeans to having to suffer even a moment of this record.

  • http://www.kenshane.com kshane

    I'm not much of an lol' er, but “quadruple blast of high volume self pity” did it for me. Nice.

  • kingofgrief

    I only hope Stapp himself doesn't read that page and get it in his head to cover “Into the Night”. You gotta be careful where you drop those Mardones references.

  • jamesballenger

    All I can say is thanks Jeff. I (almost) enjoyed your links more than the actual review! The thing is that I think Creed is middle of the road that it's almost hip to like them. I don't care for them, nor had I thought they were PJ-lite (adore anything that Stone touches…MotherLoveBone, Satchel et al) but I don't hate their music the way that I nearly rip the dial off of the radio when Bush or Nickelback comes on (two PJ-superlite bands).
    priceless -”Will you like Full Circle if you’re a Creed fan? I guess so, probably, although I can’t pretend to understand how your brain works.”

  • http://www.popdose.com DwDunphy

    I knew it. You horndog Bullz Eye rabble rousers.

  • http://www.bastardradio.com steed

    You know, I just read this and thought to myself that I absolutely hate Creed and want nothing to do with this album, but they still don't even come close to my hatred for Nickelback. How bad do you have to be to not even be in Creed's ballpark of suckage?

  • http://www.popdose.com DwDunphy

    I'm hoping it's some sort of reverse psychology on a grand scale. Kid hears the new Creed album, thinks to himself, “Hell, I can do better than that.” If only it was so.

  • kingofgrief

    Ballpark of Suckage. We officially have an album title up for grabs.

  • awaly

    why is it every post by almost every writter on popdose badmouths and talks down new bands,old bands,reissue cd's,etc…obviously everyone over there is in their 20's,only thinks in the now and doesn't have the benefit of age to look back on things.

    don't get me wrong,i'm not defending creed.i do like the old stuff.will i like the new stuff…probibly not.i heard a live bootleg from the new tour and honestly,the band sounded great but scott suucckkeeedd out loud.straight or sobor he just blew monkey balls.i'm a musician and i know it wasn't just a case of “having a bad gig”.

    and the link to the post were he asked a chick for her number? every guy has been there and tried ANY way to get some poon tang.sure he got hosed,but the chick is a bitch cause she just couldn't say she's not interested.i bet if the guy was still in the band at the time she would of opened her legs with no problem.what a bunch of idiotic inmature people with nothing better to do.

  • jamesballenger

    I totally don't get that impression from the writers. (I'm not sure but I think that they are closer to be all in their 30's) Most importantly I think you need to realize that the reason they are snarky is not to be mean, but they generally feel that if you are going to put forth the effort at least it make it worthy. And to be honest, Creed is simply low hanging fruit. The link about the chick that was messing with Scott, to me that was the best part of the article; as far as “a bunch of idiotic inmature people with nothing better to do” goes. Well duh, they stated that they were college kids hanging out at a Denny's. No every guy has NOT been there, some of us have self esteem enough to realize that driving half way across Florida to meet a stranger with “arms wide open” is a set up.

    That said, what type of band are you in? Is it that you feel that they (the writers) don't understand the hard work that goes into making your music? I'm just curious, I don't want to sound like I am protecting them or anything; I simply don't understand your point.

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    For the record, I'm 35. And that “arms wide open” gag makes me laugh, no matter how obvious it is.

  • teedogclough

    Creed's new album TOTALLY rocks out with it's _ock out….Give it a chance. I bet if you actually listen to it, you would agree….

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    I appreciate your enthusiasm, but I really did listen to it before I wrote my column. Honest.

  • http://www.popdose.com DwDunphy

    On the whole, Popdose is much more positive than negative. If you'll recall our staff reviews of the latest Pearl Jam, it was positive. The recent Foreigner was positive, for God's sake. There were even some kind words thrown at Kiss' “Sonic Boom” – not many, but there were some.

    That said, it's really hard to take the sanctimony of Creed seriously, especially when they're so artless in their delivery, and even more so when the faith-espousing lead singer regularly cheated on his significant other with groupies stepping up to his mic backstage.

  • Michael Wells

    Well even though you did take every chance to take a swipe at the band, whether deserved or not, I thank you for doing what most other critics have failed at completely and that is actually do a review of the album. I am amazed at how many “critics” are simply dogging the album and experiencing giddy school girl excitement at bashing the group; when the album is actually not bad at all. I mean I gotta admit as a 38 year old black guy from Chicago I don't know a thing about Pearl Jam and have always been more a Rap head but I enjoyed Creed's music during their run back in the late 90's. Being outside of the world of rock, I didn't realize people had such a visceral hatred for the band until this reunion tour started. Then I started reading to see why all the hate and I realized no one had a really rational gripe. I heard “well they sound like them” or “they are a weak imitation of so and so”. I mean really, come on. Every artist is an imitation of someone who came before them. I mean really, is your hate for them like my disdain for Master P for dumbing down the Rap masses even further and making “us” all look bad. Or is it more like the big time rappers who I thought were lame (MC Hammer, Tone Loc, Young MC). Today I can at least give them props for at least having tapped into some pulse of the masses that allowed them to create 1 or 2 hits (even if I couldn't understand why they were hits for the life of me) I couldn't understand it; it was maddening that someone who's talent escaped me could achieve what they did but apparently they had something going for them cause they were on the radio and I was in the car turning the radio from their song every time they played it. But in the end I have to admit it was mostly me hating cause they somehow did it and I couldn't understand how based on their skill, but somebody liked it. Those artists crossed over to other people who couldn't quite get into the other more hard core Rap that I preferred. And maybe it is the same with Creed. They managed to tap into a style that was more palatable to people who aren't hard core rockers but can get into some “beginner” Rock. Am I on target with this theory, somebody help me out? Anyway Creed ain't as bad as you guys make them out to be. And I guess I won't groan as loud the next time I'm at a party and the DJ plays “Bust A Move”.

  • Creed

    All you Creed Haters,…Remember, CREED sold over 35 million albums….Need I say more?…One word for you haters

    Jealous?

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    Sales figures: the last refuge of the frantic, embittered fan.

  • JohnHughes

    So if we're going by sales as an artistic gauge, what exactly does THIS mean?

    http://blog.al.com/mcolurso/2009/10/creed_ticke…

  • Michael W

    I know sales figures. Hmmph. That's a totally irrelevant and crazy way to try to measure an artist. What we need to do is get out a ruler and see which CD is longer. Or actually we could use a scale or better yet…a protractor to see which albums are good and which ones suck. Maybe one of those cool audio meter “thingees” with the flashing lights and sirens. Or…we could use my personal favorite; throw them all in the ocean and see which one floats the longest. Then we'll really know the quality of the album.
    Now while I'm being totally facetious, we seriously can't totally ignore sales figures. It's just like a movie. If it's marketed enough it will make money that first few days of release but once word gets out about how bad it is, it quickly will loose steam. And people don't consistently dish out their money repeatedly to go see a crappy movie or the new film by a director who has delivered several stinkers. I think the same holds true for other art forms such as music. The fact that this is their 4th album (hence they have a track record and it can't be attributed to a marketing blitz on an unsuspecting consumer) and the album is experiencing good sales at least pull pulls it out of the “ballpark of suckage”. Now is it for everybody…, probably not. But what music is?

    Like I said earlier, it seems like you did a fair assessment about how you felt about the CD in the article. Not totally positive or negative but your own objective opinion. But by dismissing sales figures as totally irrelevant, starts to make you sound like some of your fellow critics who exposed their lack of journalistic integrity and objectivity and revealed they were actually reject stand up comedians, when they wrote their totally biased reviews on the CD.

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    How do you explain Milli Vanilli?

  • Michael W

    Milli Vanilli is actually an excellent example. Rob and Fab (or whatever their real names were) was a marketing success that ran the course of several years before it came tumbling down around them. But there are two aspects to this story that we have to look at.
    First, their success lasted for a few years but they were operating in different countries and subsequently playing to two different groups of people. Their US release was just a re-issue of their European debut. So they only had one album that was released twice to two different audiences. If you compare that to Creed, they have had 4 albums with extremely strong sales and repeat customers who have purchased several of the albums. If they were as talentless as Rob and Fab they likely would have derailed and crashed and burned by now.
    Secondly, while the frontmen for Milli Vanilli were talentless fakes, I don't know if we can so quickly say the same about the people behind the scenes. While I never bought their album, cared much for their music or was a fan I can't dismiss the music itself as total crap. As far late early 90's pop it was about on par with the rest of the stuff being put out at the time; a timeless classic not likely but technically not a flaming atomic turd either. The question is are we judging the group on the character of the musician and their personal issues or on the body of work they created musically. These are two totally different conversations in my opinion.

  • Michael W

    Hey Jefito, what happened homie? I thought we were having a pretty good dialogue here, then you just left me hanging; jilted at the keyboard.

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    Sorry — got a website to run here, and I'm easily distracted. Plus, I was getting a lot of hate mail from REO Speedwagon fans for awhile, and I couldn't keep track of all the disagreements.

    That's probably the most eloquent defense of Milli Vanilli I've ever read, and I actually see some parallels between the two acts. Like Milli Vanilli, Creed's biggest weakness is its frontman, a pedestrian singer, terrible lyricist, and apparent all-around douche.

    I still don't think the “sales proves quality” argument holds water, though. So many things go into an artist achieving mass appeal — timing, luck, marketing, successful image — that it's never that cut and dried. People latch onto things for all kinds of reasons, some of which have little to do with the music itself; trends are often powered just as much by reactions against something else as they are by the artists that benefit from the trends.

    I think Creed has sold as many albums as they have because they make music that tries to make you feel something, and does it in broadly enough that anyone can understand it. Their music will never be as fashionable as it was ten years ago, but anyone who was affected by their first couple of albums will always have a soft spot for their music, and that's why they aren't as susceptible to changing trends as, say, MC Hammer. Whether or not it expresses itself clearly (or even intelligently), the music is trying to make people feel like their problems are important. Melodrama always has an audience — ask Nicholas Sparks.

    So to answer your last question, I'm judging Creed by its musical abilities (which have nothing to do with Scott Stapp) and the persona presented by its singer in his vocals and lyrics (which is unintelligent and revoltingly self-pitying, with a touch of narcissism). The musicians are talented, but they let Stapp and his lyrics speak for them, so you can't separate the two.

  • ChargerGrant

    Creed's not the greatest band, but there are a lot worse. Unfortunately, there will always be gutless weasels like writer Jeff Giles who likes to join the pile on of hate because he can't think for himself. You're a punk follower Jeff, probably the type that didn't like STP because they didn't adhere to a consistent band sound that your limited mind could follow. It's losers and your ilk that inspired Ayn Rand to write the Fountainhead.

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    I'm sure you're right. Ayn Raynd would have loved Creed.

  • GetBack2Biz

    I understand everyone's issues with Stapp overdoing everything. But the PJ thing has got to go. PJ has not put out a decent recording in over 15 years!! Take a listen to Full Circle and the new PJ CD Back Spacer right next to each other…These bands sound the same?!?!? According to who? I've purchased every PJ offering because of TEN and each one seems to be worse than the one before it. These guys seem to be out of ideas and every song sounds the same. As for Tremonti, his sound is like Gossard and McCready?!?!? Hello??

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  • http://www.rivmixx.com/ Chris

    The video for their single 'Rain' has been posted here http://bit.ly/5ySiO8 not what I was expecting.

  • leigh

    who are you to judge??? what do you play??? can you sing??? have i herd your music??? get a life you negative person…. at least creed help thousands of people!!!! what have you done??? maybe tried to bring people down to your level???

  • leigh

    who are you to judge??? what do you play??? can you sing??? have i herd your music??? get a life you negative person…. at least creed help thousands of people!!!! what have you done??? maybe tried to bring people down to your level???