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Who’s More Evil: The Doors Or The Eagles?

On the surface, it wouldn’t seem like these two bands have a lot in common, but look beyond that: These mainstays of classic rock radio into a Deathmatch were both from LA, did mountains of drugs, and screwed anything that crossed their paths. Both were laughed at by the critics but still loved by millions of people whose tastes haven’t changed since they were old enough to know better. Both had good guitarists, shitty drummers, and lyrics that alternated between pomposity and narcissistic misogyny. So which group is more evil? Leave it to the Popdose staff to answer the question. It’s a Popdose Deathmatch: The Lizard King vs. The Cryptkeeper. Let’s get ready to…ah, fuck it.

Scott Malchus: The Doors.

Michael Parr: I knew I liked you guys for a reason! I give the nod to The Doors.

Dan Wiencek: Interesting conundrum, in that I hadn’t realized they had so much in common until you pointed it out.

I was about to set out on a long mental accounting of each band’s relative (few) strengths and weaknesses to arrive at some kind of objective conclusion. But then a thought came to me that settled the issue immediately:

I fucking hate Jim Morrison.

Yes, he was good-looking and charismatic. Yes, he had a decent rock-caliber baritone until he blew it to shreds on whiskey and dope smoking. But god, do I hate his preening, self-satisfied, posturing, faux-mystic, self-absorbed, one-dimensional, dickhead, can’t-hold-his-liquor, leather-pants-wearing pretentious douchey ass. How I wish I could have been there to see Janis Joplin knock him out cold with that whiskey bottle. Don Henley may be a pompous prick and Glenn Frey a cheap shill, but they are not even in the same league of annoying as Morrison.

Win: Doors.

Brian Boone: Jim Morrison is on the surface more evil, because of all the drugs and calculated menace, and lizard king bullshit, but at the end of the day he was essentially a smug, pretentious college freshman who read half of “On the Road” and/or Nietzsche and fancied himself a genius poet philosopher. The rest of the Doors however: decent musicians, wide-eyed progressives. I will never question the talent of Ray Manzarek.

This is the first and last time I will ever defend the Doors.

Eagles, however, ALL of them are pretentious jackasses. Except Joe Walsh, of course, the Wes Borland of the Eagles, in that he was way too good and likable to be hanging around with such tools. However, because they extol a lifestyle that didn’t exist that nobody really wanted or asked for – yuppies pretending to be cowboys – they had to have had some sort of cynicism at least or witchcraft at work to convince 29 million people to buy a copy of their greatest hits album. Plus, the whole lacking a definite article in their name thing.

Dw. Dunphy: On the weights scale, the Eagles have far more songs I can listen to without wanting to commit Hari Kiri than the Doors. There are few bands that I can see large numbers of people appreciating and wonder, why the hell are you enjoying this?

David Medsker: I read Don Felder’s book a year or so ago, and will never look at the rest of the Eagles the same way again. On the other hand, I think dying was the best career move Jim Morrison ever made, and time ultimately would have outed him for the hack that he was. The Eagles are horrible people, but I don’t hope to go the rest of my life without hearing another one of their songs. The Doors, however, could disappear from history, and the only thing I’d miss would be that mash-up with Blondie that came out a few years ago. Evil, thy name is The Doors.

Dunphy: YES. GHP’s “Rapture Riders”

Robin Monica Alexander: Wow, seriously? I had no idea there was so much Doors hatred in the world. Strange Days? Would happily listen to it anytime. Never cared much for the Eagles; I suppose I have avoided hating them by simply avoiding them. As for their relative merits as people, I can’t judge, though I will grant that Morrison was obviously a pain in the ass; however, he was, at least, an entertaining pain.

Jeff Giles: The Doors are the most overrated band of all time, but – much as I’d like to punch him in the sack for making it – Brian has a point. Although Morrison was the worst kind of rock ‘n’ roll “poet,” the other guys in the band clearly thought they were reaching for something important. The Eagles were better musicians from a technical standpoint, and certainly superior craftsmen, but you never got the sense that they were living and dying for their art.

On the other hand, if Morrison had lived, I think he would have started making shitty, self-important solo records long before Henley.

Dunphy: See, I think Morrison would have stopped recording and would have moved to become a “writer,” in the tradition of Ginsburg, Kerouac, or Jewel.

Wiencek: Well, he pretty much couldn’t sing by “L.A. Woman” anyway.

Giles: Definitely Jewel. But I think he would have popped up once a decade or so to deliver something like Henley’s godawful Inside Job, too.

Alexander: Think I’ll go spin my (vinyl) copy of Strange Days right now.

Wiencek: If I had to pick one individual from either band that I actually sort of like or at least feel compassion for, it would be Robby Krieger, a good guitarist and songwriter who endured the indignity of not only working with Morrison but of having most people erroneously credit Morrison for the work that he (Krieger) did. How many times do you suppose Krieger has had to say, “No, *I* wrote ‘Light my Fire'”?

I suppose Manzarek may be entitled to points for producing X. But from the interviews I’ve seen with the man, he’s a complete tool, mainly preoccupied with proving that Morrison wasn’t quite as big an asshole as everyone else who knew him says he was.

Jack Feerick: Absolutely echoing Jeff on the musicianship front. Musically, the Doors were a garage band with delusions of grandeur; the Eagles were better players, and had better tunes.

I don’t know if I buy the “living and dying for your art” argument, though. One thing that keeps coming up in our AM Gold write-ups is that it’s possible for Great Art to be made by people who punch the clock, sing what they’re told to sing, and collect their checks, even as any individual Drifter or Coaster may be eminently replaceable.

What I object to in the Eagles is their hypocrisy. The Doors WANTED you to think they were evil; they cast themselves as outsiders and never craved respectability. The Eagles, on the other hand, behaved like assholes personally and professionally, and then had the balls to present themselves as moralists. There’s a deep and distasteful irony to a band whacked out of their skulls on Bolivian Marching Powder lecturing their audiences on the dangers of drugs and drink, people who are personally duplicitous and hateful writing little sermon-songs about the evils of superficiality and lying. Don Henley, especially once his solo career started, climbed way up onto that high horse, and has so far resisted any attempts to bring him down.

Giles: Yeah, that was a poor choice of words on my part, but I couldn’t get at what I was trying to say. Put another way, as much as I loathe the Doors’ music, there’s still a certain clumsy fire in the performances. The Eagles were always technicians first – the whole Laurel Canyon thing was a means to an end, a timely pose.

Will Harris: I’m going to go with the Eagles. As pretentious as Jim Morrison could be, I’ve never gotten tired of listening to the Doors’ music…possibly because I don’t listen it to it all that often, but that’s beside the point. When I got stuck listening to AOR for hours on end during one of my first jobs, it only took about two days before my gag reflex kicked in every time an Eagles song came on. In another time and in a context where they weren’t being force-fed to me, I might’ve been able to appreciate their music a bit better, but as it stands, I’ve got several Doors CD in my collection and not even so much as an Eagles best-of.

Chris Holmes: I’ll call this a draw. I don’t really know enough about the Eagles as people to let it influence my views on their music – which, by the way, I never really warmed up to all that much. Besides, my music collection would be vastly smaller were I to exclude all the assholes from it.

As for the Doors, I love them without reservation. Maybe it’s the inner 13-year-old in me, but I can listen to them any day. So what if Morrison was a complete choad? He was pretty typical of his age group for that time if you ask me. He just had a larger audience.

Giles: The choad argument is valid, and I’d respond by saying that my hatred of Morrison and the Doors’ music has nothing to do with personal conduct – it’s all about the pompous nonsense they committed to vinyl.

Holmes: I could probably come up with a good mixtape of non-douchey Doors songs.

Giles: I dare you to try and put together a mixtape that will allow me to listen to the Doors without remembering all the guys I knew in high school who wouldn’t shut up about how, like, profound “The End” really is.

Holmes: Alright Giles, have at it.

Jason Hare: It’s hard for me to be bothered by the Eagles’ pretension when I hear the tight harmonies in “Seven Bridges Road.” Those voices knew how to work seamlessly together, and that’s not an easy feat by any means.

Matt Springer: I don’t know much about the history of the Eagles, and only a passing bit about the history of the Doors. But I’m Team Doors all the way.

I gotta say I’m mystified by the Doors hatred too. I’d never call them one of my favorite bands but I think they’re pretty damn listenable. I love piano and organ players so I could just listen to Ray Manzarek play all day. I don’t get the idea that they’re just a step up above garage band either; whether it’s feel or technique, I think Manzarek especially is a pretty damned great keyboardist. It’s also often struck me how, even though they’re at such divergent points on the pop spectrum, the Attractions are essentially the Doors with maybe better chops and a much better frontman.

The Eagles always seemed so calculated that it’s hard to even get into their music, except as some kind of clinical attempt to manufacture hit records. It’s like being moved by a math problem–not impossible, but incredibly difficult.

Dunphy: Exposure is a major factor. In the NY area radio realm, you get force-fed Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Guns ‘n Roses, Led Zeppelin, U2, Led Zeppelin, some Beatles, the Doors and Led Zeppelin. The Eagles show up from time to time, but they don’t seem to be presented with them as though you’re supposed to like them.

Giles: I think a lot of the hatred is probably just backlash. The cult around the Doors is huge and always has been. Maybe if Val Kilmer had starred in a movie about Elvis Costello, people would feel the same way about him.

Wiencek: The movie “The Doors” is a reason to hate Oliver Stone, not Jim Morrison.

Dunphy: One reason to like the Eagles: They covered Tom Waits before everyone was covering Tom Waits.

Wiencek: Say what you will about Don Henley, he had the balls to go on stage with Mojo Nixon and sing “Don Henley Must Die.”

Giles: Naturally. It’s a song about him.

Springer: Sounds like it really does boil down to the Cult of Morrison, then. I get what everyone’s saying.

It’s funny trying to look back through history at these bands, not that anyone else here is old enough to have a contemporary experience with the Doors’ music (*cough*LIFTON*cough*). I definitely remember the Doors being on heavy rotation on WCKG, Chicago’s classic rock station while I was in high school, and probably WLUP, which was more of a “generic cock rock” station that skewed toward Van Halen and other 1970s bands rather than the stuff from the 1960s. I’m sure I had friends who were pretentously obsessed with the Doors, come to think of it; I just never had the good fortune to get trapped into any conversations about how “deep” Jim Morrison was.

Dave Lifton: My response to “Morrison’s a poet, man” was always, “Yeah, a shitty one.” Not understanding that poetry could be either good or bad, they usually shut up after that.

Giles: The wadded-up shit in Shel Silverstein’s jeans was more profound than anything Morrison had to say.

Dunphy: “They sang about war and metaphysical stuff, man.” So did Black Sabbath. And every metal head since 1992 tried to pass off the lyrics to War Pigs as their own in creative writing class.

Springer: I gotta admit, part of my negativity toward the Eagles is non-musical. I identify them with really paving the way toward these obscene arena and stadium shows where these baby boomer nostalgia acts can command a couple hundred bucks a ticket to trot out their hits and a few new tunes from a token “new release.” I may have the timing off but that’s what they’re attached to in my mind.

Yet I find it much harder to hate the Rolling Stones. No idea why.

Wiencek: I think you have it dead-on. “Hell Freezes Over” basically started the whole thing. I saw the Stones on the Steel Wheels tour, and whatever you think of that album, at least it’s a *real album*, not just a thrown-together excuse to sell concert tickets.

Springer: I always assume it’s to fill a void in their souls. Same reason I paint the clowns.

So, dear readers. You’ve heard the arguments and gotten some very disturbing imagery in the process. Now make your decision.

Who’s More Evil, The Doors or The Eagles?

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  • http://sonicweapons.net Thierry

    I’m definitely voting for The Doors – while the Eagles were assholes (and major league ones, at that), it’s really hard for me to hate the early albums that had Bernie Leadon’s vocal and instrumental contributions front and center. Also, “Life in the Fast Lane” has a cool guitar sound.

    As for the Doors, if you think the Jim-Morrison-as-a-poet worship is bad in North America, you should see what it’s like when you grow up in France or in a French-dominated environment. Jim Morrison’s godlike status there is rivaled only by Jerry Lewis and (wait for it) Lenny Kravitz. That being said, the Doors are nearly as responsible as Love (see: “She Comes in Colors”) for my favourite Madonna single of the last 15 years, “Beautiful Stranger”. So that’s something, I guess.

  • http://www.interbridge.com/lineups.html Anonymous

    This was a really tough one, but in the end, I had to go with the Eagles, for the simple reason that at least Jim Morrison had the grace to die young. The Eagles continue to make the rounds, charging exorbitant ticket prices to do the exact same set at the sheds every summer. I agree w/Dunphy that had Morrison lived, he probably would have become a full time “poet.”

    I remember when the “He’s Hot, He’s Sexy and He’s Dead” Morrison issue of Rolling Stone came out. And even when I was a teenager, I may have hated both the Doors and the Eagles — I was partial to Devo and Bowie — but even back then, I detected at least a whiff of integrity in the Doors’ music whereas the Eagles’ stuff just seemed so soulless and corporate. And now, like Boone, that is the first and last time I will ever defend The Doors.

  • http://www.interbridge.com/lineups.html Anonymous

    This was a really tough one, but in the end, I had to go with the Eagles, for the simple reason that at least Jim Morrison had the grace to die young. The Eagles continue to make the rounds, charging exorbitant ticket prices to do the exact same set at the sheds every summer. I agree w/Dunphy that had Morrison lived, he probably would have become a full time “poet.”

    I remember when the “He’s Hot, He’s Sexy and He’s Dead” Morrison issue of Rolling Stone came out. And even when I was a teenager, I may have hated both the Doors and the Eagles — I was partial to Devo and Bowie — but even back then, I detected at least a whiff of integrity in the Doors’ music whereas the Eagles’ stuff just seemed so soulless and corporate. And now, like Boone, that is the first and last time I will ever defend The Doors.

  • http://www.interbridge.com/lineups.html Anonymous

    This was a really tough one, but in the end, I had to go with the Eagles, for the simple reason that at least Jim Morrison had the grace to die young. The Eagles continue to make the rounds, charging exorbitant ticket prices to do the exact same set at the sheds every summer. I agree w/Dunphy that had Morrison lived, he probably would have become a full time “poet.”

    I remember when the “He’s Hot, He’s Sexy and He’s Dead” Morrison issue of Rolling Stone came out. And even when I was a teenager, I may have hated both the Doors and the Eagles — I was partial to Devo and Bowie — but even back then, I detected at least a whiff of integrity in the Doors’ music whereas the Eagles’ stuff just seemed so soulless and corporate. And now, like Boone, that is the first and last time I will ever defend The Doors.

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    “At least Jim Morrison had the grace to die young.” Ha!

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    “At least Jim Morrison had the grace to die young.” Ha!

  • http://twitter.com/IrishJava Dennis Corrigan

    I’ve never been able to listen to more than a couple of Doors tracks and maybe have 2 in my entire collection.  The Eagles might be sellout D-bag clock punching technicians, but I don’t mind the end product and still find plenty of occasion to give them a spin

  • http://twitter.com/IrishJava Dennis Corrigan

    I’ve never been able to listen to more than a couple of Doors tracks and maybe have 2 in my entire collection.  The Eagles might be sellout D-bag clock punching technicians, but I don’t mind the end product and still find plenty of occasion to give them a spin

  • http://twitter.com/deltaslide deltaslide

    The assertion that the Door’s drummer John Densmore was “shitty” is just ludicrous and totally ignorant. The dude could totally swing and his sense of drama and dynamics were fantastic. He was a true team player who served the music and had a great jazzy sound too. I can think of a hundred other major bands with way lesser drummers than the doors. On the other hand I agree Don Henley truly is/was one of the most mediocre drummers to ever be in such a huge band-but he was probably too busy being evil to practice anyway.

  • http://twitter.com/deltaslide deltaslide

    The assertion that the Door’s drummer John Densmore was “shitty” is just ludicrous and totally ignorant. The dude could totally swing and his sense of drama and dynamics were fantastic. He was a true team player who served the music and had a great jazzy sound too. I can think of a hundred other major bands with way lesser drummers than the doors. On the other hand I agree Don Henley truly is/was one of the most mediocre drummers to ever be in such a huge band-but he was probably too busy being evil to practice anyway.

  • http://twitter.com/deltaslide deltaslide

    The assertion that the Door’s drummer John Densmore was “shitty” is just ludicrous and totally ignorant. The dude could totally swing and his sense of drama and dynamics were fantastic. He was a true team player who served the music and had a great jazzy sound too. I can think of a hundred other major bands with way lesser drummers than the doors. On the other hand I agree Don Henley truly is/was one of the most mediocre drummers to ever be in such a huge band-but he was probably too busy being evil to practice anyway.

  • http://twitter.com/deltaslide deltaslide

    The assertion that the Door’s drummer John Densmore was “shitty” is just ludicrous and totally ignorant. The dude could totally swing and his sense of drama and dynamics were fantastic. He was a true team player who served the music and had a great jazzy sound too. I can think of a hundred other major bands with way lesser drummers than the doors. On the other hand I agree Don Henley truly is/was one of the most mediocre drummers to ever be in such a huge band-but he was probably too busy being evil to practice anyway.

  • http://www.wingsforwheels.net dslifton

    I’ll admit that Densmore had a good feel, but above everything else, a drummer has to keep proper time, and he couldn’t do that. Listen to, say, “Touch Me” or “Gloria” and the tempo noticeably changes practically every time he tries to do something fancy. Therefore, he’s a shitty drummer.

  • http://kittysneezes.com Anonymous

    I don’t mind the SOUND of the Doors — Manzarek’s organ is pretty awesome.  And, like, I really like Weird Al’s “Craigslist” for having the sound of the Doors with none of the douche.  I think the Doors might have been OK if they had a full-time assistant charged with constantly kicking the holy shit out of Jim Morrison.  

    If said assistant were real and still around, he could probably get a job doing the same with Morrissey.  He’d be the Shit-Kicker-Out-Of to the Morris-Stars.

  • http://jackfear.blogspot.com Jack Feerick

    On the subject of the Doors, I would be remiss if I did not point you towards this fabulous artifact of the early aughts, from the late, great Modern Humorist site: The Jim Morrison Simulatron.

  • http://twitter.com/deltaslide deltaslide

    You’re seriously asserting that Densmore couldn’t keep proper time? Ridiculous! Please stick to ripping apart Lefsetz-much better use of your talents than talking about drumming…

  • http://twitter.com/deltaslide deltaslide

    You’re seriously asserting that Densmore couldn’t keep proper time? Ridiculous! Please stick to ripping apart Lefsetz-much better use of your talents than talking about drumming…

  • jedgeco

    After a promising link to start out the piece, you guys totally ignore why the Eagles are more evil.  Each band can match the other in the assholery department, in technical competence, and in sheer exhaustion from over exposure on AOR radio. 

    But the Eagles continue to inexplicably give a platform to Timothy B. Schmit and his uniquely terrible brand of wuss rock.  That’s the tie breaker as far as I’m concerned.

  • http://www.wingsforwheels.net dslifton

    Keeping time is measurable; it is not a matter of opinion. The chorus of “Light My Fire” is faster than the instrumental section. He often falls behind Manzarek on “Love Me Two Times.” Maybe it’s the result of not having a bass player to lock in with (except on, I think, “Morrison Hotel”) but if you put most Doors songs up to a metronome, you will see that Densmore’s time-keeping skills were poor.

  • Jack

    Bingo, Springer. The Eagles are synonymous with the ticket-price cash grab, the years of saying they’d tour when “hell froze over” (then making a joke about it in the tour name), releasing a bloated double album (that sucked) exclusively throughWal-Mart. And ask any exEagle who sucks more. At least the Doors seemed to not hate each other.

  • http://twitter.com/deltaslide deltaslide

    Well, as for me, the degree of metronomic precision of a drummer is of little concern. I’m looking for feel and creativity and it’s the variations and imperfections that make music interesting. I don’t see anything wrong whatsoever with tempo variations-that’s how real people (not machines) make music. This also why all modern drum-machines and MIDI drum sequencing software now come with extensive features toinsert varying amounts of “error” and imperfections and “human feel” into the tempo grids. This is also why many people find lots of techno and related music boring. If one was to apply your standard of metronomic precision more broadly, then you would have to say that most of the classic Chicago blues of the 50/60’s had “poor-timekeeping/shitty drumming” not to mention a massive amount of classic jazz, African music…the list goes on.

  • http://www.wingsforwheels.net dslifton

    It is not a question of having to be one or the other. Good drummers are capable of being both excellent timekeepers and creative in their rhythms and fills. You don’t have to be right on the 1 every time – hell, Keith Moon certainly wasn’t, but his tempos were consistent. And if you can’t come out of a fill without having to play catch-up, you shouldn’t be allowed near a studio.

  • JonCummings

    If one single Eagles fan trolls onto this page and starts calling the band’s haters every dirty-nasty-douchebaggy name in the book, the way a slobbering gaggle of Doors fanatics did after I had the audacity to name “Hello I Love You” one of the worst #1s of the ’60s, then I’ll entertain the notion that the Eagles were more evil. Til then…Doors win!

    Not that I care about name-calling, as long as it gets my page-view numbers up… 

  • http://www.facebook.com/hcurtisshannon Curt Shannon

    I vote for the Eagles, not because the Doors are much better, but because you aren’t subjected to them as much any more. You get the occasional Doors song on the radio, but usually not the most irritatingly pretentious stuff like “The End.” But it seems like every Classic Rock station plays 4-5 “Fleagles” (Fleetwood Mac or Eagles) songs each hour, with some Elton John thrown in just because we need more pablum.

  • http://jackfear.blogspot.com Jack Feerick

    Do not drag the good name of Fleetwood Mac into this.

  • http://twitter.com/deltaslide deltaslide

    Article by Michael Parillo, associate editor of Modern Drummer magazine on Densmore. He explains much more eloquently (and authoritatively too) than I ever could about just why Densmore  was such a great drummer: http://www.johndensmore.com/Modern_Drummer_Densmore.pdf

  • http://twitter.com/deltaslide deltaslide

    Article by Michael Parillo, associate editor of Modern Drummer magazine on Densmore. He explains much more eloquently (and authoritatively too) than I ever could about just why Densmore  was such a great drummer: http://www.johndensmore.com/Modern_Drummer_Densmore.pdf

  • Jonny the friendly lawyer

    I don’t understand this comparison.  By “evil” do you mean worse, more pretentious, more insidious, or actually, you know, satanic?  I wouldn’t consider either band evil under any of those definitions anyway.  Morrison was pretentious, sure, and was fueled by drugs and narcissism.  But his lyrics were no worse than any of his late 60’s contemporaries and could be interesting at times.  The Doors were a good band of musicians and ran their course.  The Eagles on the other hand, are just a high profile corporate rock assemblage.  NONE of their lyrics are remotely interesting or clever and their songs are just basic, unremarkable radio rock.  Their personalities are of absolutely no interest whatsoever.  (Excluding Joe Walsh, a good guitarist and seemingly a funny and okay guy.)  That said, they seem to appeal to a huge demographic and have shifted tons of units, so what do I know?  They seem like a bunch of tools, but no worse than Ray Manzarek — an absolutely unlistenable twat.  At least Morrison had the good sense to croak before he was reduced to endorsing wine coolers or whatever.  But still, I just don’t get the evil comparison.  It’s like comparing Amy Winehouse to Sheryl Crow. 

  • http://www.popdose.com jefito

    Sheryl Crow is more evil. Absolutely.

  • Snipnsnap

    I went back to read some of them, you’re right.  Had the same type of reactions to a post here where I had expressed disdain for a certain R.E.M. song.  I admit my hatred is irrational.  But it marked the first time I thought an act I liked had sold out and started believing their own press. 
    I, however, do like the Doors.  Though I’ve always been surprised that Hello I Love You was such a big hit.      

  • mlk

    No contest for me, Eagles = Evil.  Don Henley always gave me the creeps, and that was before I found out anything bad about him.  Walsh was their only interesting component.  I’ve never understood how they’ve maintained any sort of stature.  I can really only sit through a couple of their songs all the way.  Lyrically, they do nothing for me.  They’re not joyful.  They’re not thoughtful.  They’re not profound.  They’re just dull.  I imagine their stuff would be perfect to play in the background while you’re committing a crime.  That way when asked what you were doing at the time, you could truthfully say you don’t remember.  Otherwise, unless you’re getting your first blow job while they happen to be on the radio, there’s no reason to think of them fondly.  

  • citizenblaine

    Both bands have put out both great and lousy stuff.  Re The Doors, you can not understand what was great about them if you were younger than 17 or older than 25 in 1967.  I know that’s infuriating ageism to some, but it’s also why you can’t understand what’s so damn great about  (name any current cult band darlings) if you’re younger than 17 or older than 25 today.  Ditto for the Eagles in ’72.  There’s a developmental window for attachment to bands.  Very few individuals escape it.

  • http://athomasmusic.com Andrew Thomas

    HOTEL CALIFORNIA IS ABOUT THE CHURCH OF SATAN, MAN! EEEEVILLLL!

    But, yeah. I voted Eagles. I see Jim Morrison as the pretentious-undergrad-turned-annoying-drunk-uncle. Henley, Frey & Associates are far more cynical and insidious. And they’re still around.

  • Anonymous

    Or the Banana Splits (re Fleagle).

  • Anonymous

    Sheesh, I’ve got like/hate issues with either camp, but those have more to do with their fans (Gen-X wannabe hippies vs. every suburban “dadass” immortalized in the Hall of Douchebags) than the bands themselves. So I’m ill-prepared to comment, though I’ve got a recommendation for your next showdown of evil: Rush vs. Yes. You can already put me down for “Hey, I like them both!” but I know each side has its detractors. Quite vocal ones at that.

  • http://www.grayflannelsuit.net/ Chris Holmes

    I’m sure Rush would inspire some pretty impassioned debate, but has Yes even been on anyone’s radar (other than hardcore fans) since the mid-’80s?

  • Anonymous

    Just throw the question out there and observe.

  • EVAN17

    I’m surprised Hello I Love You gets so much flack. It was not my favorite Doors song at first, among a catalog I never cherished to begin with. Then, during a heavy Joy Division period, I learned from several sources that Ian Curtis loved the Doors and that song was one of his favorites. After a few more revisitings, I could hear an unaffected, stumbling, lurching, leering dementedness that the band could occasionally get back to when they forgot they were trying to be mystical and shit all the time. The fuzz all over the guitar and organ munches and crunches like some doped-up cookie monster werewolf cruisin’ for poon. It’s hardly brainfood, but it has energy in spades.

    I agree that Don Henley’s cynical moralizing makes the Eagles more evil. Frey moralized just as much but he seemed to expose the vulnerability of his own motivations (like the heartbroken, has-been hot-shot in New Kid in Town) whereas Henley just sat there and spat judgements from beneath that unfortunate afro.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CQ4GGSBQVRQUBS2KM3ZBHTX4OI Jeff

    I have no idea who any of you are, but this conversation was really entertaining to read!   I was confused at first though, since I thought that by “more evil” you meant “better”!

    I agree with the arguments in favor of The Doors.  Those guys in the Eagles had better guitar technique, but most of it is unlistenable. I don’t know anything about the Eagles’ personal lives, and all I know about the Doors’ is what Oliver Stone told me. (Which is, btw, patently ridiculous on the surface, especially once I compared the shows depticted in the film: crowds of sexy hippy girls, with footage of real Doors shows: crowds of skinny guys with glasses.)

    I’m surprised nobody has yet referenced The Big Lebowski, specifically the scene in which the cabbie kicks the title character out of the taxi when he disses the Eagles. One of the best jokes in the film. (Hello? Black people don’t like the Eagles!!!)

  • Stephoosh831

    This is horse shit, The Doors are not even unpleasant; they are definitely not evil.  You basically said the doors, specifically Morrison were evil because they used drugs (what the fuck do you care?), he was self-centered (there is not so much as a SHRED of evidence of this, and from everything legitimate that I’ve heard, and I’ve even heard several places that he was very humble and very sweet) and that he wasn’t very deep or talented.  The latter has a very simple explanation: maybe you aren’t approaching his music as poetry, if you do, you see clearly after limited analysis, that he possessed the stuff of great poets (if people are that dumb-founded by your “shitty-poet” comment, you have some brain-dead friends).  As for Ray Manzarek being a tool, that is, again, bull shit.  He did admire Jim, but who was close to him that didnt in his time?  He was sticking up for his friend and colleague and is, as you pointed out, very talented.  The Doors as a whole produce fantastic music.  This isn’t an “argument” as there are no conclusive statements of pieces of evidence given to support any of this shit.  Your all just fucking unloading all your jealous feelings of Jim Morrison and wishing you were half the man he was. By the way, saying it was good that Morrison died is just a dick thing to say, no matter who you’re talking. Fuck you all!
     don’t know much about the eagles but I’m sure they are not “evil” either 

  • Samhansen130

    The Eagles are my all time favourite band of all time. I couldn’t care if they were arseholes in real life, I have never met them. I saw them in concert when I was 19 and they were just brilliant, didn’t appear to be egotistical at all. I have never cared for the Doors, I couldnt give a shit about their music.

  • http://twitter.com/JulianTerris Julian Terris™

    You lost me at ‘shitty drummers” you fucking idiot. John Densmore is a rhythmic genius and you’re nothing more that a loutish sofa-more. Eat shit and die.

  • Lee

    Jim was the most polarizing figure of his time, and he was the most charismatic frontman of the classic era. He is the doors. Their image, the attitude, their mystique. People fail to understand that at their time, they were extremely dark and didnt sing about lovin your woman on every track like many bands of that time. People hate jim because he was adored by women, but he intentionally destroyed his pop idol image at the height of their success and started focusing on poetry and people hated him for that too. And he died mysteriously and people started studying his life and built his persona into a myth, and people hate him for that. Honestly the guy just wanted out of all the fame to live a simple life and he became a legend by accident. People who say he was a shitty poet are just bitter opinionated self absored pretentious dbags themselves. How many rockstars seriously wrote poetry in addition to music and took it as seriously as jim? Jims influence is imense on the whole rock god persona archetype. He was the first of his kind. These doors topics inevitably return to jim because he was just so damn intriguing.

  • b1ueeyesbryce

    If music is judged, based on the pretentious Ass holes who produce it, the radio waves would be almost silent.
    Like them both.

  • Eric Cashew Harding

    “How many rockstars seriously wrote poetry in addition to music and took it as seriously as jim?”

    Patti Smith and if youve ever read “Just Kids”, youll know she adored Jim.

    Fuck The Eagles.

  • Trent Tj Herzog

    Not sure I agree with all of this, but we should not enjoy the death of another person, unless they were truly evil such as a murderer. Also, Doors were creepier (not sure about evil) and a much better band in my opinion. I do agree with people when they say the Eagles were corporate rock with not many benefits similar to Foreigner. You know it’s a bad band when you put them in a line up with Foreigner. When Don Henley set off on his solo career, I thought he had a couple of great songs with Dirty Laundry, Boys of Summer and Sunset Grill, but that’s all.

  • yeah right

    I like how these “critics” criticize pretension while trying to outdo each other in a pretension fest in which they ooze conceit and sarcastically projectile vomit pretension on each other, gleefully swimming and drowning in it.